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yourfather
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07-29-2008, 12:31 AM
Post subject: Standard fold or weak?
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These spots have been giving me a bit of trouble. C/R here is from unknown.
Give him credit and snap/fold TPGK every time without good reads?
Seems standard but i wanted confirmation.
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bjsaust
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I think this could go either way. An unknown can often be doing this with a worse hand. Still, letting go of a small pot is preferable to losing a big pot, so I'd prefer reads to continue here.
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Let's see a turn.
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Kamawoop
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The big-blind never likes getting raised by the small-blind. I wouldn't fold; i'd either raise or call.
However, that's just what I'd do in the heat of the moment. Not sure it would be correct, I don't thinking folding here is ever a big mistake.
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nutsinho
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usually fold, sometimes call and stack off on blank turns
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Kamawoop
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My previous reply was rather sit-on the fence and wishy-washy. Here's what you should do and why:
As you have no-read, you can't raise. If you think the villian is particularly tight, or loose you should raise (for information, or value respectively).
It's 5-handed NL $25, lot's of people like any ace, certainly AQ is ahead of the standard range (even after a raise on the flop). You should call and be prepared to call down unless villain gets drastically outta line and the pot gets too outta control. Normally he'll have a worse ace and the pot will remain manageable.
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yourfather
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Thanks for the replies. I thought about raising but that balloons the pot and would basically commit me. His line looked like 2 pair or maybe a combo draw to me. I assume with 2 pair he stacks off on any turn and with a big draw he could have a ton of outs and may still stack off with alot of turns. Or he is just super aggro and bluffing.
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Kamawoop
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It was blind v blind.
Personally if I called a raise from the bil blind vs the small blind, I would expect you to bet most flops.
Most any ace would be within my range for calling blind vs blind in a 5-seat $25 game. I would then raise any ace if it hit.
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bjsaust
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My initial response was going to be that raising flop turns TPGK into a bluff, but thats not quite true. I'm just not sure that we're getting value from it enough times to make up for the times we are doing that.
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Kamawoop
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I'm gonna return to sitting on the fence. Given that you have no read, I'm really not sure there is a massive equity difference however you play this.
The best advice is to always have a read.
Without that, I would put this down as one of the rare occasions where I would be happy to call down.
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yourfather
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Kamawoop
It was blind v blind.
Personally if I called a raise from the bil blind vs the small blind, I would expect you to bet most flops.
Most any ace would be within my range for calling blind vs blind in a 5-seat $25 game. I would then raise any ace if it hit.
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I was on the button and he c/r it.
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bjsaust
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I def think call better than raise, but I think fold better than call. Fairly close though.
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Kamawoop
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Ooops.
Hmmmm.
I'd probally still be tempted to call down, but hmmm. Small blind raise is much stronger than either button vs bb; or sb vs bb.
Many people will (in my opinion, incorrectly) slower play super hands here. My guess is villain has JJ, it's a safe guess, as we will never know the answer.
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yourfather
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I'm not putting 1010+ in his range as I assume he would 3 bet that against a button raise most of the time. more like A9, A10, 109, draws.
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Kamawoop
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What i might do would be to call the flop and then bet the turn fairly small.
Hoping to keep control of the potsize.
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If you do this and the villian is good and the villian is ahead, then he/she will charge you anyhow. Often enough villain is bad and will let you off cheaply when you're behind.
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nutsinho
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Kamawoop
What i might do would be to call the flop and then bet the turn fairly small.
Hoping to keep control of the potsize.
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If you do this and the villian is good and the villian is ahead, then he/she will charge you anyhow. Often enough villain is bad and will let you off cheaply when you're behind.
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this will not work because we are in position without the initiative......
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