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WildBobAA
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06-11-2007, 12:56 AM
Post subject: Standard 150BB open shove from manub
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manub is a 100NL multi-tabler on stars. I've played with him a decent amount and generally, we stay out of each other's way. I haven't had any big confrontations with him and I'm pretty sure he sees me as TAG as well. I've never see him do anything like this before. So what's our calling range here? Is this a call with KK? QQ?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG ($81.90)
Button ($93.40)
SB ($307.40)
Hero ($151.35)
Preflop: Hero is BB with [x], [x].
2 folds, SB raises to $307.9, 1 fold.
Final Pot: $308.90
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|~|ypermegachi
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i think you're deep enough that you can only call KK or AA here.
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Pelion
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According to S-C numbers he can profitably move in with JJ+, so if hes sane its KK+ to call.
If hes misclicked then QQ is an easy call but the number doesnt look like a misclick number.
If hes a multitabling TAG then he isnt doing this to just steal the blinds so its probably not less than KK.
Overall I think I call with KK but its close, and I fold QQ and its not close.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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IowaSkinsFan
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i really think this is a flat out misclick.
That being said id say he is misclicking 20% of the time and 80% of the time he has AA/KK.
Which means we probably only call with QQ+ and AK.
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Pelion
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how do you get a misclick that is 3 digets too long with all the digets more than a number apart?
I dont think this is a misclick as often as 20%
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Alexos
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QQ+/AK should be a fairly easy call
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|~|ypermegachi
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@Pelion..correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought S-C values also involve fold equity.
@everyone who calls with AK. why?!?!??! i can't see villain doing this with AQ-.
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thizzSantaCruz
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S-C numbers do not include fold equity. I am thinking KK+ sounds right, you only have your blind in their...why try to gambol.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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Alexos
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because its a misclick, and gambooling is fun
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Don't you need to misclick twice to open push?
The only times I have done this above $25NL is if, say, the doorbell's rung or I have to immediately get away from the computer, but I look down and see QQ+ so I push.
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bigspenda73
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Could he somehow have wanted to make it 3.50, forgot the decimal, was multitabling and then just hit bet.
Really the only thing I can think of.
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Pelion
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
@Pelion..correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought S-C values also involve fold equity.
@everyone who calls with AK. why?!?!??! i can't see villain doing this with AQ-.
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Yea noone doorbells this with AQ. SC values are fold equity Vs worse hands and pot equity Vs better hands.
So if hes pushing with JJ he assumes we fold everything worse (including AK), and only call with QQ,KK,AA. That comes out to be a +EV push up to just a tad over 150bbs.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Next hand.
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Pelion
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
Next hand.
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isnt it customary to offer some sort of opinion first?
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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WildBobAA
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I'm not convinced this is a call with KK.
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Alexos
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wow
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