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donnybaker
Old 04-24-2008, 07:51 PM     Post subject: Stack off here? #1 (permalink)  
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Villian is 70/10/2.5 (only 10 hands though). No other reads

I was distracted during this hand and had previously lost a few pots on other tables so I was a little tilty. What's the best flop line?

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MP ($135.35)
Hero ($107.15)
SB ($77.30)
BB ($101)
UTG ($58.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, A.
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($9) J, Q, 5 (2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero raises to $14, SB raises to $24, Hero...
 
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Old 04-24-2008, 08:03 PM #2 (permalink)  
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against those stats and a bigger sample I get it in. Over a small sample like this I might call and reevaluate.
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Old 04-24-2008, 08:57 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Agree with above. Board is so dry that I don't love it, but vs. a 70/10 I'm pushing flop.
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Old 04-25-2008, 12:02 AM #4 (permalink)  
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yeah, i guess pushing here isn't bad if he could have a fairly wide range. If KQ and KT are a part of his range we're almost even.

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51,480 games 0.001 secs 51,480,000 games/sec

Board: Qh 5c Jd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.319% 39.69% 05.63% 20432 2898.00 { AdQd }
Hand 1: 54.681% 49.05% 05.63% 25252 2898.00 { JJ+, 55, AQs, KQs, KTs, QJs, AQo, KQo, KTo, QJo }

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Old 04-25-2008, 01:21 AM #5 (permalink)  
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stack off or flat and call all bets down. either way, dont fold.
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Old 04-25-2008, 04:41 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Correct me if I am wrong but with a 70 percent PF range any two pair and sets are here. Just because some one plays all of their hands doesnt mean that they stack with anything. I think that this is a prolly pretty bad place to stack top pair here. Depends on your feel though. Does your raise on flop commit you to hand? If not I fold
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Old 04-25-2008, 02:30 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Villain's stats are almost worthless with only 10 hands, unfortunately. What is your own table image? Could he be trying to push you off if you have been betting at a lot of pots? You mention that you were tilty, so is that carrying over to your image?

I think with position I just call (though the bet size isn't really like someone wants to push you off the pot early) and re-evaluate on the turn.
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Old 04-25-2008, 03:19 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Villain's stats are almost worthless with only 10 hands, unfortunately. What is your own table image? Could he be trying to push you off if you have been betting at a lot of pots? You mention that you were tilty, so is that carrying over to your image?
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Old 04-25-2008, 10:28 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Correct me if I am wrong but with a 70 percent PF range any two pair and sets are here. Just because some one plays all of their hands doesnt mean that they stack with anything. I think that this is a prolly pretty bad place to stack top pair here. Depends on your feel though. Does your raise on flop commit you to hand? If not I fold
This is kind of what I was thinking. His reraise range is fairly narrow and I wasn't sure if it was a "standard" stack off.

I did feel fairly committed after the raise (given the stack sizes).

FWIW I pushed here and was called by QJ which held up. It got me wondering what hands would reraise the flop.
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Old 04-25-2008, 10:34 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Villain's stats are almost worthless with only 10 hands, unfortunately. What is your own table image? Could he be trying to push you off if you have been betting at a lot of pots? You mention that you were tilty, so is that carrying over to your image?

I think with position I just call (though the bet size isn't really like someone wants to push you off the pot early) and re-evaluate on the turn.
I don't think the stats are completely worthless. Villian's played 7 out of the last 10 hands. I would say that unless the deck was hitting him in the face, he's fairly loose passive. That and sitting on a 3/4 stack both point to a weaker player. I think weaker players tend to only raise with very strong hands.

I was tilty but probably not getting out of line. It is of course possible that he was just playing back at me, but he's also only seen me for 10 hands and probably not thinking much past level 1.
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:46 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 Stats aren't worthless - he's not a nit, not a TAGG and with 7 flops seen, AF = 2.5 means he's likely pretty agro post (he's betting flops after limping in).

Weak players make lots of mistakes including raising when they shouldn't. This guy looks to me like he'll stack off with 2nd pair.

Shove, imo. You're ahead of his range.
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