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Harry

12-16-2006, 09:41 PM Post subject: Squeeze

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Original raiser is tag, other is unknown. I don't want to call here OOP, but I think I lose value by folding.

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12-16-2006, 09:54 PM

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I usually dump this OOP.

TAG + UTG raise = range that crushes AQ.

Having said that if you are going to play it a reraise is probably best but its basically a bluff. I cant think of a situation (barring 2 pair+) that youre taking this to showdown so Id prefer it with 67s.

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12-17-2006, 12:37 AM

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I disagree, I think KQ, AJ, ATs, and several lower PP are in his range here.

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12-17-2006, 12:40 AM

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A _nit's_ raising range UTG crushes us, but we are ahead [it is close though] of a TAGs range:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 47.5735 % 43.98% 03.59% { 22+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 2: 52.4265 % 48.84% 03.59% { AQo }

I dont really think I would go so far as to say that if we are 3betting here it is a bluff because I would say that we could get to showdown a decent amount of the time here with good pot control.

Anyways, we are going to be ahead of a TAGs range here, but as you pointed out, that still doesnt always make a call a great play. We are OOP so itll make the hand harder to play when we arent the preflop aggressors; however, with a good postflop game it should still be +EV. Basically, I think folding here is too weak tight [although sometimes I would], but prefer 3betting over calling. If I were to guess Id probably 3bet here ~60% of the time, call 30% and fold 10%, those are all estimates but are jprobably pretty accurate.

In the specific hand, your raise is very small which I dont really like. PF I really think all raises should be PSRs, so here thats what I think it should be. I also think we should be mixing it up by also doing this a certain percentage of the time with small PPs, big PPs, SCs, and some random trash.

In short, this is fine and I would say standard [barring your raise size].

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12-17-2006, 02:25 AM

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Yea I had a lot of shit going on when this happened and the timer was running out... I'd probably raise this to around $20.

When I say tag I mean 24/12... not a nit.

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12-17-2006, 02:39 AM

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I think I dump here. Three-betting lacks pot control that AQ needs. Calling is clearly a spew.

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12-17-2006, 03:20 AM

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I think I dump here. Three-betting lacks pot control that AQ needs. Calling is clearly a spew.

We are ahead of a "standard" tags range here, how is calling spew? If you open utg, have an LP caller and are 3bet from the blinds, what hands do you call with?

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12-17-2006, 03:21 AM

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I think I dump here. Three-betting lacks pot control that AQ needs. Calling is clearly a spew.

No way! You have tons of value against most hands, and you're only way behind AK and QQ+, and I think your hand is fairly easy to play OOP, better than reraising. I don't like OP's 3x raise here, if you are going to squeeze this then at least 20, maybe even 24. I don't consider this raise a squeeze play and if you're called you have to put in a hefty continuation bet OOP without any idea of what your opponent has.

I don't mind a call here at all, and i don't see myself ever folding this hand.

By NEVER calling here, you take out many +EV options that coudn't have by Reraising.

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12-17-2006, 02:00 PM

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12-17-2006, 02:38 PM

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Just call. You have a pretty good hand, but you'll be out of position for the rest of the hand, and the UTG tagg could be strong.

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12-17-2006, 03:33 PM

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As they say, finding good spots to squeeze is one of those required skills to be beating higher stakes, so very nice, atleast the effort :P

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12-17-2006, 08:21 PM

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Just call. You have a pretty good hand, but you'll be out of position for the rest of the hand, and the UTG tagg could be strong.

Ill ask the same question I asked Iowa, If you open UTG, have an LP caller and are then 3bet out of the blinds from a player who has not gotten out of line [which Harry definitely fits the profile of from my limited play with him], what hands are you calling here with?

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12-17-2006, 10:22 PM

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I just had a similar hand, UTG makes it $3, moron super fish Limpy McLimpLimp in the CO coldcalls. folded to me in the BB with AQ.

I made it 20. I think that was overkill, but I'm not sure what to do in that situation.

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12-17-2006, 10:46 PM

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i always raise here

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