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Genitruc
Old 10-21-2009, 12:26 AM     Post subject: Spidey Sense #1 (permalink)  
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 What are the things that get you folks curious?

Today I was playing some 5-10 and raised Q9ss from the CO.

Button, a fullstacked random tagg flatted.

Flop was , I bet my usual 65 into 85 and villain quickly called.

Turn was

ooh! Scary board! At this point I almost always 2 barrel and then check-fold the riv or I just check-fold.

However

I decided to check and call a bet that seemed suspicious. So many of normal taggy villain hands have flopped gutters, A hi + backdoor FD's, small pairs that call in order to bluff a later street on scare cards, etc.

Villain bet a whopping 200 into 210.

O RLY? At this point I was pretty sure I was being pushed off the hand by a float. Of course, there are a million gross rivers that can kill my hand. I decided to just close my eyes if the river bricked off and click the "check/call any" button.

When the hit the river, I clicked it, closed my eyes, and looked up 5 seconds later to see a big pot shipped my way vs his overbet riv shove w

So obviously, there's no veil over this brag. But it got me wondering : what are the things that, at any point in a hand, make you guys go "HMMMMMMMM time for me to make myself a nice big peanut butter and cally sandwich"?

I used to make these thin calls too much, but now I kind of wait until the urge is just too strong to resist. I know this is a very broad subject, but either specific stories or recurring patterns would be fun for the thread.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 10-21-2009, 01:06 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 You see someone do something for value with a certain bet size, timing, and/or gameflow and then you see a different bet size, timing, and/or gameflow with the same sort of line, could be a bluff. Same thing for vice versa, probably is value.
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Old 10-21-2009, 02:54 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Taking lines they would never ever take with made hands, an example being:

$2/$4 Ante No Limit Holdem
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5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($224)
CO ($1,392.15)
Hero ($1,463.05)
SB ($454.15)
BB ($800)

Pre-Flop: ($9.75, 5 players) Hero is BTN
UTG checks, CO calls $4, Hero raises to $26, 2 folds, UTG folds, CO calls $22

Flop: ($61.75, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $42, CO calls $42

Turn: ($145.75, 2 players)
CO bets $126, Hero calls $126

River: ($397.75, 2 players)
CO bets $275, Hero calls $275

Final Pot: $947.75
CO shows

Hero shows


Hero wins $948.75 (net +$479.75)

CO lost $469


The guy was a super spewy agro semi reg, obviously my thinking isn't very complicated, simply he wouldn't play kx or better this way ever, only hand I was remotely worried of seeing was 44.
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Old 10-21-2009, 06:06 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I used to do stuff like that a lot AtotheC, but they kept turning up with something dumb like 66 they turned into a bluff but it beat my bluff catcher
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Old 10-21-2009, 06:09 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 man villain's turn donk in that hand just blows my mind
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:43 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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man villain's turn donk in that hand just blows my mind
Yaah I feel like they have JTdd or QJdd a ton when they donk that particular turn.

Though everytime I hero call with AJ on river, they have A3dd.
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Old 10-21-2009, 06:26 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Button is a 3/6 reg, Hero is a friend of mine

Just thought it was along similar lines. Sick hand Genitruc!


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MP2 ($614.65)
MP3 ($93)
Hero (CO) ($1912.85)
Button ($645)
SB ($600)
BB ($609.10)
UTG ($406.95)
UTG+1 ($600)
MP1 ($211.90)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6, A
2 folds, MP1 calls $6, 2 folds, Hero bets $36, Button calls $36, 3 folds

Flop: ($87) 2, 6, 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $60, Hero calls $60

Turn: ($207) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $144, Hero calls $144

River: ($495) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $405 (All-In), Hero calls $405

Total pot: $1305 | Rake: $3

Results:
Button had Q, A (high card, Ace).
Hero had 6, A (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: Hero won $1302
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Old 10-22-2009, 03:59 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 btw in the rape-call hand vs QTo I just realized it s prob a fold since villain can so credbly rep 94o for the turned nutter butter 2 pair
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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