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bigspenda73
Old 02-08-2007, 06:28 AM     Post subject: Someone teach me to fold #1 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1
Villian is 50/13 over 70 hands

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05./$0.10.
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $12.44
Button: $2.34
SB: $11.47
BB: $19.84

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $0.35, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 5 9 2 ($0.8, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.8, SB calls.

Turn: 4 ($2.4, 2 players)
SB bets $2.4, Hero raises to $5.5, SB raises all-in $10.32, Hero calls.

River: T ($23.04, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $23.04)


Results:
Final pot: $23.04

Hand 2
Villian here is 44/22 over 50 hands
Worst turn card possible?

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $4.70
UTG+1: $19.82
CO: $4.75
Button: $1.60
SB: $12.28
Hero: $15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K Q
2 folds, CO raises to $0.35, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: T J 3 ($0.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.35, Hero calls.

Turn: K ($1.45, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO is all-in $4.05, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $9.55
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Old 02-08-2007, 01:52 PM #2 (permalink)  
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they are fine. i like check raising the 2nd hand though.
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Old 02-08-2007, 01:59 PM #3 (permalink)  
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they are fine. i like check raising the 2nd hand though.
LOL. Are you going to check raise him into signing over his first born?

(Hero called an all in on the turn)
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Old 02-08-2007, 02:05 PM #4 (permalink)  
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so he can't check raise the river, and its impossible to check raise preflop.......... hmmmmmmmmmmmm....... what could that leave
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Old 02-08-2007, 03:03 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 So no one is getting away at the turn 3bet in hand 1.
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So no one is getting away at the turn 3bet in hand 1.
I get away against certain villains. Of course being 25NL increases the likelihood you don't get away.
It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
 
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Old 02-08-2007, 03:20 PM #7 (permalink)  
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so he can't check raise the river, and its impossible to check raise preflop.......... hmmmmmmmmmmmm....... what could that leave
Lol. I actually thought you wrote "Check raise the turn in hand 2", because my imaginary friend read it to me, and he's a douchebag.
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Old 02-08-2007, 04:12 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Old 02-08-2007, 04:16 PM #9 (permalink)  

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I lay down hand 1 but I'm a puss. The lead into you on the turn smells, thats been my experience at these levels.
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Old 02-08-2007, 04:37 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 versus a 50/13 there is no way im folding sorry.
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versus a 50/13 there is no way im folding sorry.
I'm probably an idiot (highly likely) but I don't understand how his preflop stats play into the scenario? Wouldn't it be better to look at his aggression factor?

Given his looseness I would be more likely to give him credit for some crap two pair or miracle straight.

I guess I don't understand why its such an easy decision to call this.

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Old 02-08-2007, 07:24 PM #13 (permalink)  
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I wouldn't beat myself up too much about these hands. I don't think either of these are 'leaks'. Stacking off with an overpair at NL 10 can't be -EV. Having said that, I like leading the turn or c/raising the flop in hand 2.
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 litetruck, you're right his preflop stats don't directly affect this play.
BUT the 50/13 tells me the guy is a complete donk and is likely a huge overvaluer.
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Old 02-09-2007, 10:06 AM #15 (permalink)  
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I'm playing these the same at this level.
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Old 02-09-2007, 02:22 PM #16 (permalink)  
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 OK, I mean, I won both hands. Just seems like these are hands I should be folding.
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Old 02-09-2007, 02:48 PM #17 (permalink)  
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OK, I mean, I won both hands. Just seems like these are hands I should be folding.
Obviously not.
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Old 02-09-2007, 02:51 PM #18 (permalink)  
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OK, I mean, I won both hands. Just seems like these are hands I should be folding.
Obviously not.
Well it seems like at this level I should be calling but further up the ladder I need to learn to fold to this type of aggression on the turn.
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