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aislephive

11-02-2006, 05:36 AM Post subject: Some tough decisions - 2/4 UB

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Villain is 32/16 but hasn't gotten out of line, then again I'm not paying much attention. Also the first time he has reraised me preflop and we have no prior history.

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Stack sizes:
Hero: $453
CO: $900.20
Button: $781
SB: $216.80
BB: $205.40

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with Q

Hero raises to $14, CO folds, Button raises to $48, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 8

($102, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $102, Hero calls.

Turn: T

($306, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $303, Hero

UTG = 42/22 donk, I'm sure I'm ahead of his range or coinflipping at worse. BB is 19/13 solid TAG, fold or push (or call?).

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $215.50
CO: $327.60
Button: $115.80
Hero: $401.80
BB: $586

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with K

UTG raises to $14, 2 folds, Hero raises to $57, BB calls, UTG raises all-in $215.5, Hero ???

Villain is 22/6 and seems kind of tight passive. I'm not folding but is a push better or a smooth call and why?

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Stack sizes:
Hero: $453.30
CO: $122.80
Button: $309.60
SB: $128
BB: $300.20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with K

Hero raises to $14, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: A

($30, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $24, BB raises to $80, Hero ???

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Villain 28/16 kinda laggish. I checked the turn because I suspected he was floating.

Stack sizes:
Hero: $415.30
CO: $152.60
Button: $474
SB: $602.90
BB: $349

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with J

Hero raises to $14, CO folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 8

($34, 2 players)
Hero bets $26, Button calls.

Turn: 4

($86, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $65, Hero calls.

River: 9

($216, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $145, Hero ???

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11-02-2006, 08:12 AM

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1) Tough spot. Prob fold. I think leading this turn is a good option, to get value out of Tx, 99, JJ, hands that will likely check behind.

2) I'd push, although it's close. I think this is more of an EV calculation based on the dead money in the pot and UTG's and (more importantly) BB's range.

3) Against this guy I think calling is best, re-eval turn.

4) Insta-call river. You induced a bluff, now snap it off.

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11-02-2006, 02:41 PM

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1. I probably fold, but I'm a nit.
2. I probably call. GAMBOOL. At least BB just called preflop to the reraise.
3. Call, and see what he does on the turn, I really don't think you can fold besides on a missed river because this guy having a flush is only suited connectors.
4. It looks a lot like a bluff. You said you thought he'd float the flop? Well, there's the float.

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11-02-2006, 04:26 PM

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2. I probably call. GAMBOOL. At least BB just called preflop to the reraise.

BB just calling the raise makes it scary.

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11-02-2006, 05:04 PM

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1) Fold. The leading idea is interesting though.
2) Push. I'd give him a TT-QQ hand.
3) Call and block bet the turn.
4) Call riv. I like the other streets.

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11-02-2006, 05:06 PM

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Hand 1: 16% PFR is kinda high. I might look him up here as I can see him spewing with worse hands. Tough spot. Although I'd rather dump this before the turn.
Hand 2: FOLD, the union of UTG + BB has you smoked.
Hand 3: Call. Check/call ANY turn bet. I slow play this.
Hand 4: If that's your read, stick to it and look him up, although he might be taking you to value-town.

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11-02-2006, 05:10 PM

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1 - i dont think ive ever folded QQ in a reraised pot on ragged boards.

2- all options are fine

3- i just call here. pushing is good when there is a chance they are bluffing or just like raising top pair, but i dont think this guy is doing either.

4- i bet turn and call river.

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11-02-2006, 07:40 PM

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I folded hand 1, I gave him AA/KK to bet the turn in that manner. I think he'd be pretty silly to bet that with JJ, but I dunno I tend to give people too much credit when we don't have any history together.

Hand 2 I pushed, BB called with KK. UTG had QQ.

Hand 3 I pushed and BB had 444.

Hand 4 I called and he showed QTd for the rivered gutshot.

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11-02-2006, 07:50 PM

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Hand 3 I pushed and BB had 444.

Barring meta-game, different read, etc. I think pushing here is terrible. DUCY?

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11-02-2006, 08:09 PM

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Hand 3 I pushed and BB had 444.

Barring meta-game, different read, etc. I think pushing here is terrible. DUCY?

It might be although keep in mind he has $300 to start the hand and not a full stack. I just thought to myself 'TPTK and the nut flush draw I'm awww in", which was probably wrong. I don't see how pushing is terrible though. Perhaps you could enlighten me.

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11-02-2006, 08:33 PM

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Also is a turn c/r really bad in hand 4?

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11-02-2006, 08:46 PM

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Perhaps you could enlighten me.

Worse hands fold and/or stop bluffing off chips. Against better hands you want to play turns and rivers. Also, against a weak line a lot of the player pool in that game should be capable of repping your hand if you hit.

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11-02-2006, 09:17 PM

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sry if i m repeating things that have already been said but i d rater respond without reading thread :

hand 1 : if you think villain is ever capable of doing this w missed overs then it's an insta-call. I know I've taken villain's line w missed ak many times praying that opp didn't have 10 10. Other problem is you've underrepped your hand. I'm pretty evenly split with no good read. It's just so tough for him to put you on QQ... Probably lean towards a fold though since you say you haven't seen villain get out of line. Although on turn you only have to be leading 1/3 of the time blah blah...

hand 2 : I like a fold here. BB's pre smooth call is scariest thing I see in all posted hands. If he's good he knows you are aggressive and also knows he'll get donk to stack off with weak hands. I think it's the perfect spot for him to slowroll AA/KK preflop. He'll prob have 1010-QQ some of the time, but I think the big problem here is all that dead money in the pot, begging for you to jump in. I'd just bail and laugh when both villains flip underpairs

hand 3 : you say you're not folding but if your read is correct then I think you should consider it. I'd call if villain is liable to pay you off with 4-flush on board. If not I think calling is spewing. The tight-passive player has tptk beat here just about 100% of time and you'll have to call a bet on turn the 3/4 times you miss your flush.

Against an aggro I like calling since he could be making this play w 10's with a club here and could pay you off more likely on a 4-flush board.

hand 4 : I like your line all the way to the river. I think this is the perfect spot for 1/2 pot value-bet. Unless he's crazy he'll be forced to call w worse jacks and might even smooth-call something like 888 instead of milking you for a big bet. As played I think I make a crying fold, I just have a strange feeling you're beat.

edit for hand 4 : river block-bet, not value-bet obv... fold to raise.

awesome hands btw. fun thinking about them.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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