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snowbird4life

07-17-2007, 06:39 PM Post subject: Some hands from my first session in a while (100nl)

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Well been sick then went on some sweet vacation to AZ where its hot as hell, too bad im not 21.. we drove right past vegas

wah.

Anyway, first session in a long time, tell me what you guys think of these hands.

1.

aahhh is running 55/14/1
robsttel is running 55/6/1

Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007-07-17 11:59:11
6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: FastEddie7 ($51.75)
Seat 2: ROBSTEEL57 ($120.25)
Seat 3: Hero ($97.05)
Seat 4: SitNonDubz ($283.11)
Seat 5: TheGreatBambino ($72.50)
Seat 6: aahhh6 ($97.15)
------------------------------
NEW HAND
ROBSTEEL57: posts the small blind $0.50
Hero: posts the big blind $1.00
--- DEALING POCKETS
Hero is dealt [4d,Ad]
SitNonDubz: folds
TheGreatBambino: folds
aahhh6: raises $2.50 to $3.50
FastEddie7: folds
ROBSTEEL57: calls $3.00
Hero: calls $2.50
--- DEALING FLOP [Kd,As,5d]
ROBSTEEL57: checks
Hero: checks
aahhh6: bets $7.00
ROBSTEEL57: calls $7.00
Hero

Is a check-raise bad here? Do i want to get my money in if im just drawing to the nut flush? Whats your play here? Raise and call a shove?

2.

Villain runs 26/10/5 over 40 hands or so

Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007-07-09 15:15:17
6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: cvrcak ($209.75)
Seat 2: dellabona ($159.50)
Seat 3: Hero ($97.50)
Seat 4: TATER1 ($113.50)
Seat 5: ppl4life ($85.00)
Seat 6: PUSHERM4N ($78.50)
------------------------------
NEW HAND
PUSHERM4N: posts the small blind $0.50
cvrcak: posts the big blind $1.00
--- DEALING POCKETS
Hero is dealt [Ad,Jd]
dellabona: folds
Hero: raises $2.50 to $3.50
TATER1: folds
ppl4life: calls $3.50
PUSHERM4N: folds
cvrcak: folds
--- DEALING FLOP [6d,Jc,4d]
Hero: bets $6.00
ppl4life: calls $6.00
--- DEALING TURN [Qs]
Hero: bets $13.50
ppl4life: raises $13.50 to $27.00
Hero

Whats your play here? Call and reevaluate on the river? Get all the money in now? Fold?

3.

Villain runs 50/14/1

Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007-07-08 00:36:55
6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: strohm1223 ($55.50)
Seat 2: juslearning ($109.75)
Seat 3: Ahlin Bin ($340.75)
Seat 4: Hero ($224.75)
Seat 5: UWdeke ($97.50)
Seat 6: mightyhawk ($93.75)
------------------------------
NEW HAND
UWdeke: posts the small blind $0.50
mightyhawk: posts the big blind $1.00
--- DEALING POCKETS
Hero is dealt [Qc,Qs]
strohm1223: raises $1.75 to $2.75
juslearning: folds
Ahlin Bin: folds
Hero: raises $6.75 to $9.50
UWdeke: folds
mightyhawk: raises $6.75 to $16.25
strohm1223: folds
Hero: calls $6.75
--- DEALING FLOP [9h,8c,6d]
mightyhawk: bets $18.00
Hero: ?

Do you always shove here against this villain?

4. Not much here, this is just a cooler... right?

Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007-07-17 11:26:39
6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: FastEddie7 ($47.00)
Seat 2: ROBSTEEL57 ($97.50)
Seat 3: Hero ($103.25)
Seat 4: SitNonDubz ($174.81)
Seat 5: TheGreatBambino ($107.50)
------------------------------
NEW HAND
ROBSTEEL57: posts the small blind $0.50
Hero: posts the big blind $1.00
--- DEALING POCKETS
Hero is dealt [Ah,Ac]
SitNonDubz: folds
TheGreatBambino: folds
FastEddie7: folds
ROBSTEEL57: raises $1.00 to $2.00
Hero: raises $7.00 to $9.00
ROBSTEEL57: calls $7.00
--- DEALING FLOP [Jd,8c,As]
ROBSTEEL57: checks
Hero: bets $11.00
ROBSTEEL57: calls $11.00
--- DEALING TURN [Tc]
ROBSTEEL57: checks
Hero: bets $23.00
ROBSTEEL57: goes all in $77.50
Hero: calls $54.50
ROBSTEEL57: shows [Kd,Qd], a Straight, Ace high
--- DEALING RIVER [6c]
ROBSTEEL57: shows [Kd,Qd], a Straight, Ace high
Hero: shows [Ah,Ac], Three of a Kind, Aces
Hand 810882934:
ROBSTEEL57: wins main pot($193.00)
with a Straight, Ace high
aahhh6 is waiting for big blind

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Vi-Zer0Skill

07-19-2007, 03:42 AM

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Hand 1: A flush draw has good equity on the flop, none on the river. It is not a showdown hand and therefore money needs to get in the pot before showdown; the sooner the better. I like a raise to $25 and shoving (~pot)any turn. I chose these bet sizes because they give you the most F.E. on the turn, and allow a hand like A-J/A-10 to stay with you on the flop and surrender on the turn. Shoving only gets called by A-K/sets and you lose a lot of semibluffing value by not allowing weaker hands to call the flop and fold the turn.

Hand 2: looks like Villain has Q-J/set. I would fold this. call flop raise turn is a standard donk set line, and against an unknown i won't assume that i am being bluffed.

Hand 3: fold/shove PF. I would fold. While villain is loose, he isn't exceptionally aggressive and a 4bet facing 2 raises is very strong unless either/both you and the other opponent have been ridiculously aggressive.

Hand 4: I mostly want to talk about your flop bet:

Villain may c/r bluff, but at 100NL in a RR pot where you were the aggressor i doubt villain is going to get fancy. I personally see these bets as suck bets and so i prefer to bet an amount close to pot even when i flop top set. You are unlikely to get action either way so you might as well put more money in the pot.

Regardless you were highly unlikely to lose the pot, and even as played there is no way to fold this hand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carroters

Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools

snowbird4life

07-19-2007, 07:08 AM

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What if i continued hand 1 a little bit:

1:

Hero: raises $17.50 to $24.50
aahhh6: goes all in $86.65
ROBSTEEL57: folds
Hero: Always call here?

2:

Hand 2 is weird, i love my hand on the flop, but that Qs really kills my hand and leaves me confused for the turn. Does that fact that he raised me so little make me have to at least call his turn raise?

3:
I think at the time i figured villain had been donking around all over the place, but a 4 bet regardless is strong, so thats why i just called preflop. When he bets out 18 on the flop, should i fold? His af isn't very high, but still hes been donking around all over and i have qq eeee:S

4:
I agree with you on the flop bet amount, i see this from all sorts of other posters and think the exact same thing as you, however i guess im guilty of it as well every once in a while. Anyway villain had KQ here :/

Ill post full results later, thanks for your response.

Kagey

07-19-2007, 08:02 AM

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Hand 1: Just as a general question is it ever correct to just call the turn bet if you have a read that the other caller is on a lower flush draw? personally I fold this pre-flop.

Hand 2: Fold. this line looks too obviouslylike set, JQ.

Hand 3. These strange donk re-raises can either mean I have AA and I have no idea how to bet them, or I have AK/ AQ and it looks pretty, haven't decided on which is the most often.

Hand 4. You hit the set, money in, job done.

Galapogos

07-19-2007, 08:10 AM

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Hand #1 you really shouldn't play aggressively.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.

Vi-Zer0Skill

07-19-2007, 04:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by snowbird4life

What if i continued hand 1 a little bit:

1:

Hero: raises $17.50 to $24.50
aahhh6: goes all in $86.65
ROBSTEEL57: folds
Hero: Always call here?

Getting 2:1 and the fact that villain could be playing a smaller FD this way i never fold this.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

14,850 games 0.078 secs 190,384 games/sec

Board: Ac Kd 5d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.973% 39.87% 00.10% 5921 15.00 { Ad4d }
Hand 1: 60.027% 59.93% 00.10% 8899 15.00 { KK+, 55, AKs, QdJd, JhTh, AKo }

Only if he is never felting a FD is this close.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

12,870 games 0.005 secs 2,574,000 games/sec

Board: Ac Kd 5d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.541% 32.42% 00.12% 4173 15.00 { Ad4d }
Hand 1: 67.459% 67.34% 00.12% 8667 15.00 { KK+, 55, AKs, AKo }

But since we can't know that for sure (or whether villain is felting a weaker ace/ is bluffing) i still call.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapagos

Hand #1 you really shouldn't play aggressively.

I assume you were anticpating that calling a flop shove would end up being pretty marginal. But what about all the dead money we put in the pot by reraising a smaller amount and then pushing a medium ace (A-J, A-10) out of the pot on the turn? Am i missing other reasons why you would slow down here?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carroters

Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools

Vi-Zer0Skill

07-19-2007, 05:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by snowbird4life

2:

Hand 2 is weird, i love my hand on the flop, but that Qs really kills my hand and leaves me confused for the turn. Does that fact that he raised me so little make me have to at least call his turn raise?

What are you going to do on the river if (when?

) villain fires again on the river? Keep in mind you are drawing dead against a set, to 3-5 outs against two pair, and are only ahead of a FD. IMO most 100NL players don't wait to get aggresssive with a FD until the turn.

As a side note one reason to sometimes wait to raise a FD on the turn would be to rep a set and also catch a villain double barrelling (if a villain has a high AF i like this play a lot). 90% of the time you are not going to get shoved on (unless the betting has gone "pot-pot"). And you aren't going to be PC to the hand even if you miss on the river. And if you think villain is weak and may dump his hand on the river you can still shove on a blank. Note this play works best with As-xs since you generally have 3 extra "Ace" outs to improve with on the river. Don't do this with a combo draw/ TP + FD's since you have significantly more equity on the flop with those hands.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carroters

Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools

snowbird4life

07-19-2007, 05:27 PM

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huh, How am i drawing dead against a set? I think you misread this hand. I have the nut flush draw, and the board isn't paired? Do you have the right hand here? Were talking hand 2, AdJd, where i flop top pair and the nut flush draw, then the Qs comes off on the turn and he raises my turn bet.

Vi-Zer0Skill

07-19-2007, 05:40 PM

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I did misread that

Well then i would call turn/ fold if the flush draw doesn't come in. If it does come in i think you can go for a river c/r

Interesing hand though since you are behind pretty much every hand he could be holding on the turn except another A-J. Maybe i would still pitch this...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carroters

Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools

Fnord

07-19-2007, 05:47 PM

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Hand 1: Call to the river, bet/raise any diamond or 4.
Hand 2: Call
Hand 3: It depends, prob raise the flop.
Hand 4: Opps

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