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r8ed

05-23-2006, 05:07 AM Post subject: Some hands I need opinions on

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None of these are too crazy but I'm trying to come out of a downswing. I made 1+ buyin tonight which is a start.

Hand #1
Hadn't see too much out of line from him and I wasn't out of line. I know the turn check gives my hand away, but I'm pretty much done on this hand anyway once he calls my flop raise. Should I play the flop differently? I was going to raise preflop but I didn't have a read and he was UTG and I was OOP. I raise preflop here about 90% of the time.
***** Hand History for Game 4338464494 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Mon May 22 23:37:34 EDT 2006
Table Table 107400 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: ITRIED2WARNU ( $499)
Seat 2: jandje ( $225)
Seat 4: Leif349 ( $244.48)
Seat 5: TinyGrasshoppa ( $201)
Seat 6: JaceKang ( $483.92)
ITRIED2WARNU posts small blind (1)
jandje posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jandje [ Kd, Ad ]
Leif349 raises (5) to 5
TinyGrasshoppa folds.
JaceKang folds.
ITRIED2WARNU folds.
jandje calls (3)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8h, 6s, 2s ]
jandje checks.
Leif349 bets (12)
jandje raises (30) to 30
Leif349 calls (18)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9h ]
jandje checks.
Leif349 bets (30)
jandje folds.

Hand #2
I f-cked this one up bad - specifically the river. I should have bet like $30-$40 to induce a bluff (or at least get a call)? I called preflop because this guy played tight for over an hour and right when the table got smaller he started raising too much. I figured I'd take a stand w/ KTs and see what happens. I folded most times before this. Plus if he's used to playing tight, he may not be as comfortable playing looser than usual so I figured I could possibly outplay him on the right board. Flop and turn OK?
***** Hand History for Game 4338994054 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Tue May 23 00:38:48 EDT 2006
Table Table 107400 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: rudirudirudi ( $84)
Seat 2: jandje ( $312.95)
Seat 3: yizzlenutz ( $185.16)
Seat 4: jma2c ( $100)
Seat 5: TinyGrasshoppa ( $267.75)
Seat 6: JaceKang ( $332.64)
jandje posts small blind (1)
yizzlenutz posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jandje [ Th, Kh ]
TinyGrasshoppa raises (8) to 8
JaceKang folds.
jandje calls (7)
yizzlenutz calls (6)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2h, 5h, 3h ]
jandje checks.
yizzlenutz checks.
TinyGrasshoppa bets (20)
jandje calls (20)
yizzlenutz calls (20)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9c ]
jandje bets (40)
yizzlenutz folds.
TinyGrasshoppa calls (40)
** Dealing River ** : [ Kd ]
jandje bets (120)

Hand #3
I can't point my finger on it but I just knew he didn't have a queen and maybe not even a pair so I tested him.
***** Hand History for Game 4338668060 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Mon May 22 23:58:35 EDT 2006
Table Table 107468 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: vet74 ( $171.27)
Seat 2: Peggy2031 ( $60.30)
Seat 3: Captain54173 ( $273.53)
Seat 4: ElStupeedo ( $199)
Seat 5: jandje ( $303.26)
Seat 6: murphprodigy ( $215.55)
murphprodigy posts small blind (1)
vet74 posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jandje [ Kd, As ]
Peggy2031 calls (2)
Captain54173 folds.
ElStupeedo folds.
jandje raises (10) to 10
murphprodigy folds.
vet74 calls (8)
Peggy2031 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, 2c, 5d ]
vet74 checks.
jandje checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6c ]
vet74 bets (15)
jandje raises (40) to 40
vet74 folds.

Hand #4
Same guy but he just sat down. There's no way the 2 improved his hand. River sucks as he could have a flush or a King so I just check and prepare to call a small bet or fold to a big one. Good or bad? Could just be chip spew.
***** Hand History for Game 4338409977 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Mon May 22 23:31:38 EDT 2006
Table Table 107468 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: vet74 ( $203.31)
Seat 2: Peggy2031 ( $91)
Seat 3: Captain54173 ( $218.30)
Seat 4: coma_tose ( $182.60)
Seat 5: jandje ( $225.40)
Seat 6: murphprodigy ( $200)
coma_tose posts small blind (1)
jandje posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jandje [ Th, Tc ]
murphprodigy folds.
vet74 calls (2)
Peggy2031 folds.
Captain54173 folds.
coma_tose calls (1)
jandje raises (8) to 10
vet74 calls (8)
coma_tose folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8h, 4s, 2s ]
jandje bets (15)
vet74 calls (15)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2d ]
jandje bets (40)
vet74 raises (80) to 80
jandje calls (40)
** Dealing River ** : [ Ks ]
jandje checks.
vet74 checks.

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aislephive

05-23-2006, 07:00 AM

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Hand 1, I'm reraising preflop here. Secondly, I'm c/ring bigger on the flop, 3-3.5x at least. People won't fold for such a small raise (which is why I 2.5 raise with sets all the time).

Hand 2: I'd probably c/r the flop here 2.5-3x. I would lead the turn bigger, maybe 55-60 and shove the river.

Hand 3: I normally lead the flop, but occasionally I do a line like that where I check the flop and raise them when they lead the turn, only if they're really aggressive though.

Hand 4: I play it the same way exactly.

bdawg56kg

05-23-2006, 07:50 AM Post subject: Re: Some hands I need opinions on

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Quote:

Originally Posted by r8ed

I was going to raise preflop but I didn't have a read and he was UTG and I was OOP.

This is not a good reason for not reraising preflop. AK is a powerful hand. You don't need a read to put money in the pot preflop. Also, utg doesn't mean nearly as much short-handed as compared to full ring. I 3-bet here all day. I'd rather lead the flop than cr, because it's cheaper to take it down when he has nothing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by r8ed

I figured I'd take a stand w/ KTs and see what happens. I folded most times before this. Plus if he's used to playing tight, he may not be as comfortable playing looser than usual so I figured I could possibly outplay him on the right board.

If you want to take a stand, 3-bet preflop. Calling sucks because you're oop. Are you taking a stand when the flop comes A59 rainbow in a 3-way pot? It's very hard to outplay someone when you don't flop something good (which will happen most of the time) and are oop, without having the lead in the hand. River bet is fine, unless you read him for floating you or very weak.

Quote:

Originally Posted by r8ed

I can't point my finger on it but I just knew he didn't have a queen and maybe not even a pair so I tested him.

Meh, against the right thinking opponent I think it's okay, but a lot of donkeys will call with any piece of the board or any type of broadway club, because to a bad player, your line seems like air. I mean, if he had something "good", he would have bet the flop, right?

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Originally Posted by r8ed

Same guy but he just sat down. There's no way the 2 improved his hand. River sucks as he could have a flush or a King so I just check and prepare to call a small bet or fold to a big one. Good or bad? Could just be chip spew.

You could go for a cr ai on the turn if you think he will bet. As played, I think I'd just push the turn, since you are obviously calling a river push when you don't fold to the minraise. Plus there are a lot of bad card that can come on the river. That minraise is really scary though. Against an unknown I'd probably fold.

r8ed

05-23-2006, 06:26 PM

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On hand 1 I lost the hand preflop as you guys say. I don't know why I just called as I'm usually reraise that. Bad spot to mix things up.

On hand 2 I'm pretty sure at best one of these guys has one heart (maybe the Ace). I don't want to overly slowplay and I don't want to get too aggressive until they have a chance to hit something. I hoped my turn bet would get raised but they didn't bite. I immediately kicked myself right after I went 3/4 pot on the river. I had just watched the demo vid on cardrunners where he induced a couple bluffs too. I should have done the same - he folded. He probably had an underpair or AT or something.

Thanks for the feedback.

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