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Old 03-18-2008, 02:57 AM     Post subject: Some 25nl hands . . #1 (permalink)  
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First up I'm a donkey at ring . . so be nice lol

Winning SNG player by trait, avoid ring usually as I suck terribly at it my usual problem is stacking off with top pair, mind I do want to improve. Last session I made 2 buyins through just playing on the whole solid poker, yeah no stacking off with AK/AQ/AJ/QQ etc – the below are a few hands from the session which although I won most of them I think on the whole there’s a fair few leaks and generally I don’t think I’m maximising my value and generally playing pretty badly.

I'll try and post a whole load more ring hands as time goes by because the only way I'll improve is getting advice.

1. Villian is a loose goose 65/34 over 45 hands - I'm really unsure whether to bet the flop here or not? I'm guessing with what I've got left behind then I'm pretty much going to the wall here.

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MP ($13.35)
Hero ($26.15)
Button ($17.10)
SB ($1.70)
BB ($13.50)
UTG ($13.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
1 fold, MP raises to $1.5, Hero raises to $4.5, 3 folds, MP calls $3.

Flop: ($9.35) , , (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($9.35) (2 players)
MP bets $8.85 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $9.35

2. Villain is same guy as before he's managed to lose his stack and is getting more maniac like now running at 72/39 over 58 hands. The previous QQ hand is firmly in my memory here, is this line okay generally to getting all the chips in the middle and yeah my stack should have been at full whack but it wasn't

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UTG ($17.10)
Hero ($12.95)
CO ($24.40)
Button ($6.75)
SB ($16.30)
BB ($11.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP with , .
UTG raises to $1, Hero raises to $2.75, 4 folds, UTG calls $1.75.

Flop: ($5.85) , , (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($5.85) (2 players)
UTG bets $2.5, Hero calls $2.50.

River: ($10.85) (2 players)
UTG bets $3.25, Hero raises to $7.7, UTG calls $4.45.

Final Pot: $26.25

3. Villain is a calling station supreme, should I just call on the flop hoping to extract more, either way I'm losing value.

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BB ($29.10)
Hero ($14.30)
MP ($28.55)
Button ($12.50)
SB ($34.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) , , (2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero raises to $3.25, BB folds.

Final Pot: $4.10

4. This is just horrible meh. The kind of play I tend to make more than often and lose a load with.

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Button ($28.15)
Hero ($18.65)
BB ($29.05)
UTG ($11.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
1 fold, Button raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.65, 1 fold.

Flop: ($1.75) , , (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75.

Turn: ($3.25) (2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button calls $2.

River: ($7.25) (2 players)
Hero bets $5, Button folds.

Final Pot: $7.25

5. This one both villains were pretty calm, the BB was the same one from last hand and perhaps was tilting somewhat. The other guy was running at 25/13 over 37 hands. Again losing value, check here - overbet? In the end I make a dicky bet which looks very suspect.

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BB ($24.65)
Hero ($22.05)
MP ($30.15)
CO ($11.45)
Button ($14.25)
SB ($24.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $1, MP calls $1, 3 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.10) , , (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, MP folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: $3.10

6. Last one for now. Too weak? These are definately the kind of hands I get myself into trouble pre-flop.

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SB ($6.15)
Hero ($41.05)
UTG ($32.05)
MP ($34.75)
Button ($14.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1) , , (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets $0.25, SB folds, Hero folds, MP raises to $1, Button calls $0.75.

Turn: ($3) (2 players)
MP checks, Button bets $0.75, MP calls $0.75.

River: ($4.50) (2 players)
MP bets $1.25, Button raises to $3.25, MP raises to $6.25, Button calls $3.

Final Pot: $17
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Old 03-18-2008, 03:16 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Don't make general rules about top pair. There are times where I will frequently throw 100bb in with tp and be good. There are also tons of times where I'm folding it.

As for the hands:

1) You should update your hud with more stats like folds to turn bet and calls cbet % which will help you play this hand more profitably.
Humm his stack is kinda awkward for a cbet. I think the decision to play for stacks should be made preflop by 3 betting slightly larger to like 6ish maybe and shoving all flops. Not really sold on this idea though.

2) I would prefer that you have a standard 3 bet size in the area of 3x plus bb per limper and 4x if there are multiple callers. Its good that you got the money in here but i wouldn't slowplay this board because I cbet my entire range on a high boards so I have to bet when I actually have a hand to balance for the times that I don't.

3) You don't want to just call because you aren't charging him for playing draws this way. Basically lose the habit of slowplaying when playing 6max cash if you ever want to be given credit when your bluffing. You just got unlucky that he was bluffing.

4) meh i mean if you had reads i guess its ok, but I'm usually just folding the flop here.

5) I would aim for a standard c bet amount as well. Mine is 5/6 of pot. I might slowplay this board just cause you have essentially the stone cold nuts and unless one has an ace they need to catch up a bit. But betting is definitely not bad, maybe even better.

6) I would be raising to isolate pre flop to like 1.5 and c betting this flop. As played its fine in a multi way pot. Ace high doesn't have that much showdown value and clearly you didn't fold the best hand.

As a general tip, you'll get more replies if you limit your threads to 2 or 3 hands.



 
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Old 03-18-2008, 04:00 AM #3 (permalink)  
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hand four intrigues me. i run into this a lot, and never know what it is.

i drop a Q here, and possibly KJ- here, too, most times. how do i learn when its a douchebag 77 here just calling and bluffing river? (no offense to OP)
LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

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Old 03-18-2008, 07:03 PM #4 (permalink)  
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hand four intrigues me. i run into this a lot, and never know what it is.

i drop a Q here, and possibly KJ- here, too, most times. how do i learn when its a douchebag 77 here just calling and bluffing river? (no offense to OP)
Reraise turn, that's how.
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Old 03-18-2008, 07:09 PM #5 (permalink)  
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hand four intrigues me. i run into this a lot, and never know what it is.

i drop a Q here, and possibly KJ- here, too, most times. how do i learn when its a douchebag 77 here just calling and bluffing river? (no offense to OP)
Reraise turn, that's how.
look closely. you cant RR turn. you are oop and lead for $2. villain calls. obv, you semi-give up on river, being oop. and villain bombs for $5ish? you 2 barreled w/ AK, and villain goes bet/call/rip. you cant feel good about AK anymore...obv, not KJ.
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Old 03-18-2008, 07:54 PM #6 (permalink)  
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hand four intrigues me. i run into this a lot, and never know what it is.

i drop a Q here, and possibly KJ- here, too, most times. how do i learn when its a douchebag 77 here just calling and bluffing river? (no offense to OP)
Reraise turn, that's how.
look closely. you cant RR turn. you are oop and lead for $2. villain calls. obv, you semi-give up on river, being oop. and villain bombs for $5ish? you 2 barreled w/ AK, and villain goes bet/call/rip. you cant feel good about AK anymore...obv, not KJ.
Oh sorry, I thought you meant you were often the guy who folded when IP and the other guy with 77 is now leading into you on the turn. I'd rather just camp with my 7s and fold cheap.
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Old 03-18-2008, 08:51 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Pythonic - why would you RR the guy with 77 on turn if we have a better pair? His hand is a bluff.

As for the hands:
1. I just shove flop
2. Have to bet flop for reasons meeloche states
3. I raise flop to $4.
4. I fold flop. What are you trying to rep? A set who isn't scared of a flush when it hits?
5. I like meeloche's response
6. I play it same way OOP
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hand four intrigues me. i run into this a lot, and never know what it is.

i drop a Q here, and possibly KJ- here, too, most times. how do i learn when its a douchebag 77 here just calling and bluffing river? (no offense to OP)
Reraise turn, that's how.
look closely. you cant RR turn. you are oop and lead for $2. villain calls. obv, you semi-give up on river, being oop. and villain bombs for $5ish? you 2 barreled w/ AK, and villain goes bet/call/rip. you cant feel good about AK anymore...obv, not KJ.
Oh sorry, I thought you meant you were often the guy who folded when IP and the other guy with 77 is now leading into you on the turn. I'd rather just camp with my 7s and fold cheap.
i'm a moron. sorry, i forgot i flipped roles. if i have KJ there, or AQ...i bet flop for about $1.25. if i get called, i may fire again on turn because of flush draw if checked to again...to about $2.75-$3.25. if i get donk bet, i prolly call...maybe that's where we raise? if villain leads river for 1/2+, i run for the hills. standard?
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