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11-17-2006, 08:24 PM
Post subject: so I was watching bld play last night...
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Disclaimer: This post is going to suck, so please don't gripe below if that's the case. You are free to use the back button now. They are pretty much random thoughts that will probably be of no use to anyone, except possibly gabe who actually has played with this player. I'm sure he's already well educated on this matter anyway, though.
I was watching bld (bldswttrs from party/2p2, notthistime on stars) play last night... last night for me being 7-8am EST. I missed the heads up matches between he and hal but I did catch him playing some 2-3 handed with b buddy, the stasher, and a couple others.
After watching a small amount of hands, maybe 1-200 or so, there were a few interesting things that I picked up.
Interesting situation #1) Bld's BB. Villain opens their SB to 4x, bld calls, folds, or repops to 13x, in that order of likelihood. For now, let's just focus on when he calls. Standard villain play here is to fire out a 3/4 pot C-bet. Bld triples that bet, and the SB folds. It was so standard it was almost sickening. The distant second most likely play was to check and fold when bld auto-bet 3/4 pot.
One would think that the SB would try to adapt. Examples of this would be to rebluff the flop by 3-betting, as it was quite obvious at times that bld's range was almost any 2, check/calling (or check/raising) made hands on the flop, etc.
Interesting situation #2) villain opens on the button, bld repots it (and then a bit more for good measure). Villain folds to the preflop 3-bet or the flop c-bet almost without fail. Seriously dude, 4-bet back, bluff raise the flop, float the flop, do something. Waiting for a big pair or AK is not acceptable in this case.
After this goes on for a while, this interesting hand happens (will try to recreate it as best as I can from memory).
B buddy opens in late position, (button probably, MAYBE CO), bld repops from the BB to 650 or 700ish (25/50 game obv). bld fires 1150ish or so on a KT6r flop. b buddy calls, and the turn checks through on a low card. River is an 8, and bld check/call's 2500 with J6o. B buddy's A9o no good. Eventually, b buddy got the hang of it and started sitting out at all of his tables. hal was already sitting out, ditto with the stasher, bld is the last man standing.
Similar stuff was happening when the SB opened and bld 3-bet from the BB. The SB was playing especially bad in these spots because they'd almost always call preflop and check/fold the flop. This is of course when they weren't autobet/autofolding the flop.
Interesting situation #3) bld opens his button to 3x. Very rarely did bld not win these pots. Of course the button has the advantage and will win more then their share, but this was sickening. The blind defense was just putrid. bld opens pretty much everything here, and every hand they'd either a) fold preflop, b) check/fold the flop, or c) lead the flop and fold when bld raised. Seriously, these shmucks could have so profitably 3-bet back a lot of their hands preflop, or at least attempted to play back at bld's any 2 range post-flop, but instead they were waiting for their KK+//sets and basically just got owned. The few times that they made big plays at the pot, they obviously took down.
Basically, bld was leaving himself wide open for exploitation. HOWEVER, I know the guy is a helluva player, and by that, he was just exploiting the other players' very weak-tight post-flop tendencies. Do I think that I'd have a chance against this guy over a significant amount of hands? nope. Would I give him a better game (tougher, more challenging game) then the other guys? yes, and it's not even close. Do I think I'd have an edge over the other guys? not sure, but if they were playing anything remotely like they were against bld, then yes.
Umm, not sure what else to add here. Hope you enjoyed.
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wish i hadn't had such a good night's sleep
how much do you think railing ANY game (not just exciting high-stakes shit) helps your hand-reading abilities?
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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11-18-2006, 12:32 AM
Post subject: Re: so I was watching bld play last night...
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Originally Posted by Lukie
Would I give him a better game (tougher, more challenging game) then the other guys? yes, and it's not even close.
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nah man, you are wrong. i would take bbuddy's a-game action in that game over yours anyday
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sorry, i look like an asshole in that last post. let me try again.
once you start playing with him, you realize he's alot sicker than you think. the more you fight back the faster he gets stacks.
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11-18-2006, 12:48 AM
Post subject: Re: so I was watching bld play last night...
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Would I give him a better game (tougher, more challenging game) then the other guys? yes, and it's not even close.
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nah man, you are wrong. i would take bbuddy's a-game action in that game over yours anyday |
based on what I saw the other night, I really disagree. I'm not saying that I am a better player then b buddy as I havn't seen him play enough to make that judgement. Based on the fact that he's a regular in the game, I would assume he is a better player.
I am saying that based on what I saw last night, there is no way that I could have sat down and done any worse. In fact, I am quite sure that I would do much better.
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sorry, i look like an asshole in that last post. let me try again.
once you start playing with him, you realize he's alot sicker than you think. the more you fight back the faster he gets stacks.
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fighting back is much better then surrendering every pot to a good lagg. You know this.
Heck, even playing super super nitty is far better then putting 10-20% of your stack in every hand only to fold when (not if, when) bld shows further agression.
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The one guy who plays a lot like Bld is CTS, they both put a ton of pressure on postflop. Bld will repop a lot more though preflop and CTS is quite a bit looser than Bld preflop.
Your observations were interesting, and you may or may not have fared better than the others but you also have to understand that Bld is incredible at adapting to different players and exploiting them in several different ways. Bld is probably the #1 online cash player currently, with Sbrugby/CTS and a few others not far behind.
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Heck, even playing super super nitty is far better then putting 10-20% of your stack in every hand only to fold when (not if, when) bld shows further agression.
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this probably just has to do with the player doing this running bad
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lukie if you are trying to convince me that you would do better so you can get permission to play in this game, i wont allow it!
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The one guy who plays a lot like Bld is CTS, they both put a ton of pressure on postflop. Bld will repop a lot more though preflop and CTS is quite a bit looser than Bld preflop.
Your observations were interesting, and you may or may not have fared better than the others but you also have to understand that Bld is incredible at adapting to different players and exploiting them in several different ways. Bld is probably the #1 online cash player currently, with Sbrugby/CTS and a few others not far behind.
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aba, durr, ozzy, antonious are surely better than bld, no?
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The one guy who plays a lot like Bld is CTS, they both put a ton of pressure on postflop. Bld will repop a lot more though preflop and CTS is quite a bit looser than Bld preflop.
Your observations were interesting, and you may or may not have fared better than the others but you also have to understand that Bld is incredible at adapting to different players and exploiting them in several different ways. Bld is probably the #1 online cash player currently, with Sbrugby/CTS and a few others not far behind.
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aba, durr, ozzy, antonious are surely better than bld, no? |
Forgot about Antonius, he tends to play the extremely HSNL games so I haven't seen much of his play. I've heard great things though so it's very possible he is better than bld. Durrr is also very good, probably neck and neck with bld. Kind of hard to compare them though because they play so much differently. Ozzy, no. Aba like I said is right up there with him as one of the best.
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All of the guys mentioned are really incredible and definitely on a different level. It seems like they all have their special.. eg. patrik in live play, durr in PLO and running good (not saying he's not a great player, but PLO is a VERY swingy game, even moreso then holdem and he's certainly got the best of that lately).
I'd be interested in knowing where else that bld plays now that party is gone (I'm assuming he's american).
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aisle I read on 2p2 that Aba said the only person he wouldn't play HU in a high stakes game was Ozzy, though he said Dags had an edge over him too.
I haven't really seen Ozzy play all that much, but just passing on info.
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lets not turn this into one of those threads, the original post is much more interesting
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lets not turn this into one of those threads, the original post is much more interesting
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lets not turn this into one of those threads, the original post is much more interesting
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Hey Gabe... Does your sidekick play poker too?
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lets not turn this into one of those threads, the original post is much more interesting
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Hey Gabe... Does your sidekick play poker too? |
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-46732.htm
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once you start playing with him, you realize he's alot sicker than you think. the more you fight back the faster he gets stacks.
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Could you go into more detail here? If you only play back at him when you have a big hand, he can just fold those times and run you over in the rest of the hands. How could he beat you even faster if you mixed in a good frequency of bluffs?
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cuz he reads souls, not cards?
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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once you start playing with him, you realize he's alot sicker than you think. the more you fight back the faster he gets stacks.
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Could you go into more detail here? If you only play back at him when you have a big hand, he can just fold those times and run you over in the rest of the hands. How could he beat you even faster if you mixed in a good frequency of bluffs? |
if you try to stop his bluffs with bigger bluffs hes such a sick handreader that the increased variance that comes with the aggression just gives him the chips faster
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