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Fnord
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08-01-2008, 03:48 PM
Post subject: So I keep hearing about turning my hand into a bluff....
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Not much of a read on him yet. Seemed kind of loose, was pretty sure he either had a bust draw or a better hand on the river. I didn't get the feeling he was strong here based on timing and such.
$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($214.75)
UTG+1 ($29.40)
CO ($402.95)
BTN ($381.00)
Hero ($284.60)
BB ($15.00)
Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is SB  
UTG calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, UTG calls $8, UTG+1 calls $8
Flop:    ($32, 3 players)
Hero bets $22, UTG calls $22, 1 fold
Turn:  ($76, 2 players)
Hero bets $54, UTG calls $54
River:  ($184, 2 players)
Hero goes all-in $198.60
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Silly String
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No real problem. AK would do this and his hand likely did not improve enough to call.
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will641
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i prefer limping pre, but i think if you do raise it should be at least 1x more. you almost gotta think if hes calling the turn his range is {Q9, 98, QJ, AT, A9, A4, 44} and add some spades somewhere in there. And, its only like $120 to him if i do the maths correctly, so probably any made hand here he isnt folding, would be my guess.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by will641
And, its only like $120 to him if i do the maths correctly, so probably any made hand here he isnt folding, would be my guess.
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But it costs him ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY DOLLARS to call *puts pinky to lips* Not to mention that it's his entire stack. People get cold feet all the time.
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nice.
I think it gets more interesting on a 6 river.
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IF your image is clean and he calls this with anything less than T9, I want this guy at my tables.
If he's real talented, he may call thinking you won't overplay a TP hand here polarizing your range into monsters/bluffs. You've given us no reason to believe he has this hand reading capability.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by will641
i prefer limping pre, but i think if you do raise it should be at least 1x more.
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1 out of 2 ain't bad.
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Deanglow
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I think this is good if you have like KQ or something but you have the best hand too often. Yeah you get a few better hands to fold but you also miss picking off a bluff against his range.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
I think this is good if you have like KQ or something but you have the best hand too often. Yeah you get a few better hands to fold but you also miss picking off a bluff against his range.
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Put him on a range. You check, he shoves, are you calling?
I think shoving wins a nice pot against the vast majority of his range and check/anything doesn't. We both kind of got ourselves stuck in a big pot and my perceived range can gin this board while he really hasn't given me cause to think he can beat one pair.
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freechus9
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I think your turn bet is turning your hand into a bluff. I like doing this with KQ/JQ type hands, but our hand has enough value to want to showdown cheaply. I think I like a turn check to induce, and a river c/c if he bets small. But I'm a little passive, so..
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Marshall28
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i agree w/ deanglow for the most part.
i think the river is soooooo thin that it cant really be determined whether its a value shove or a bluff.... what are you trying to bluff him off of? a better jack?
u dont seem to have the image against this player to triple barrel for value here, particularly if u think he is going to have a missed draw on the river a lot. problem is u r missing a ton of value from those draws that might stab at the river, plus even more importantly ... hes not gonna be shoving a worse hand for value ... every jack is checking this river, and if hes bad enough (or good enough), he could show up w/ a naked ace that floated u on the flop... hes not jamming that on the river either.
basically, i think because i weight his range more towards missed draws than i do stronger jacks, and because i dont think u r getting called by worse almost ever, i much prefer c/c to triple barrel jam.
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Marshall28
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oops, misread preflop
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Marshall28
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extra points for creativity though.
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will641
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i think the only better hands that fold are better T's. i strongly think that if he has an A, its likely aces up, and obv that is never folding.
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Fnord
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Doesn't this hand SCREAM KT/QT?
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Doesn't this hand SCREAM KT/QT?
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yeah some of u guys missed this bigtime. he almost always has KT/QT/JT/T8/QJ/78. I like the shove.
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IowaSkinsFan
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I really don't understand why you would not just check the turn but as played river shove is good. I limp pre as well.
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redih
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I don't like the shove. I put him on Ax (rag). He seems like a weak player. Personally I'm folding against your shove, but I don't think he did.
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Miffed22001
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Doesn't this hand SCREAM KT/QT?
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if im following you, what were you going to do on a spade river?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by redih
I put him on Ax (rag)
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Even live players don't show up with Ace-rag here very often. The guys I play live with will flash me an Ace and fold the turn or river quite often as well.
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i agree with K/T,Q/T range. He has you outkicked, river shove is the only option.
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redih
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$200NL, no read. Calls pre-flop raise, says either pocket pairs or Ax. Flop comes down, he calls a bet. Makes me think he hit the 9 or 4 or has pocket pairs still. A comes down, you 3/4 pot, he calls. Meaning he's not scared of Ace. Either because he has one or you didn't rep like you had one. With your aggressive betting I am thinking you have high PP or A high card. Which he's not scared of the A, so he has A high card beat.
I'm still sticking with A,9,4,T Probably not T
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Any reads on his EP limping range?
The only thing that worries me is that a lot of ppl limp suited aces EP. So I think AT,A9,A4s type hands are all definitely possible on this river.
I'd like this a lot more if turn was a K and you bet and shoved than the Ace.
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