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Ravageur

11-09-2009, 12:36 PM Post subject: Situation vs megafish and then a river blarf

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Couple hands from an utterly insane session today, ended up chasing a fish to 25/50, won a buyin there and still ended up down.

Anyway, two semi interesting spots.

1st hand is just an example of a greater situation that interests me. Villain (BB) is weakpoint at table and calls way too much pf and doesn't fold draws on flop. He's 60/17 at this point. He's gotten it in bad vs me for 4 stacks already and has sucked out everytime. I am raising any hand from any position because he only calls pf and the other ppl at the table aren't adjusting and he is making massive mistakes post. I'm also in a hurry to get deep with him because I don't want him to leave with 400 bbs of mine (he's doing stuff like calling 40 bbs pf with k8o and stacking my qq lol). I guess my question is - which of us is the biggest fish in this hand?

Boss Media (IPN) No-Limit Hold'em, €6.00 BB (5 handed) - BossMedia Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (€4579.95)
Hero (UTG) (€914.25)
BB (€3413.35)
MP (€747.25)
Button (€752.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8

, 6

Hero bets €21, 1 fold, Button calls €21, SB calls €21, BB calls €21

Flop: (€84) 6

, A

, 7

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets €63, 2 folds, BB calls €63

Turn: (€210) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (€210) 2

(2 players)
BB bets €210, Hero calls €210

Total pot: €630 | Rake: €3

This hand is more interesting imo. Villain is 22/17/2.8 AF and he just stacked me on another table a few hands ago but i've played enough with him that he must know i'm not going to just tilt off a stack for no reason (little does he know that i am tilting hard here).

I think pf, flop and turn are bad, especially turn, but river is good no?

Boss Media (IPN) No-Limit Hold'em, £4.00 BB (5 handed) - BossMedia Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG (£394.65)
Button (£849.10)
Hero (SB) (£352.25)
BB (£539.40)
MP (£71)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

, Q

UTG bets £11.50, 1 fold, Button calls £11.50, Hero calls £11.50, 1 fold

Flop: (£38.50) 4

, K

, 9

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets £28.87, 1 fold, Hero calls £28.87

Turn: (£96.24) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets £64, Hero calls £64

River: (£224.24) J

(2 players)
Hero raises to £247.88 (All-In), [color=#666666]

Total pot: £224.24 | Rake: £3

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griffey24

11-09-2009, 12:57 PM

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Hand 1
-If there was a FD on the flop, this would be at least somewhat more reasonable. But I think the fact that there are so little draws on the flop and he pot into you on river makes this a fold.

Hand 2
-I don't know.. I don't even know that this is necessary. All you did was c/c c/c on a board where he's likely to at least cbet, you could still be good here. As played,I don't hate it, though you only rep KJ/QTdd (both of which you might not always call pre vs an UTG open). Your hand might have more value bluff catching than turning into a bluff yourself.

You didn't give his EP stats so hard to say about PF, but after PF I think flop/turn are standard and not bad.

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Ravageur

11-09-2009, 01:01 PM

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i can have a set in hand 2 as well. I edited in villain's stats though i don't use them when i play. I fully expect/hope he's folding AK and AA here and i don't think i'm good on the turn very often.

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11-09-2009, 02:47 PM

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You can certainly tell you were tilting!

hand 1: raising 86 off utg is simply not going to be profitable in my mind. On the river I don't think your call is that bad considering fish are not very good at v betting and he's potting the river after only flatting the flop and the board texture not really changing much on later streets, but you did check the turn so he could easily be doing this wirth ax I guess. You beat 89,910, plus weird hands like 45 or 63 that decide to click buttons, some fish will settle for any sd value while others will bet if you show weakness, you can even get owned by 7x on occasion.

hand 2: seems really spewy to me, If I was villain I'd call on the principle that I would have thought you'd check the river to let me bet with all your strong hands, I suppose it's not terrible considering there were no draws and for him to call with ak/aa you'd have to be doing exactly what you are, turning kq/k10s into a bluff.

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11-09-2009, 03:51 PM

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Hand 1 looks really familiar, I think you were channeling me. I think river is a fold b/c he has so many aces in his range and only a few missed draws. You're good sometimes for sure but not quite 1/3 of the time i don't think.

Hand 2 I like vs. a thinking player.

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11-09-2009, 05:57 PM

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1) Not enough draws or possible floats missed imo. You didn't really say how passivish he is but I'm gonna assume he probably is and therefore probably doesn't bet 89 (which you have a blocker against) or 45 that often. The thing is at this point he probably thinks your a fish and is gonna be less likely to bluff you. I find when fish get deep they are much less likely to bluff in small pots.

2) Unless he's seen you do this for value I don't like it. I really don't think he's folding AK and AA like you hope because you should expect him to bet those on the river therefore a c/jam or c/c would be better if you had a set.

Ravageur

11-09-2009, 11:43 PM

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i should've mentionned that the fish in hand 1 will never check or give up a pot if he blanks or missed. He tries to win every hand no matter what, that being said he's definitely capable of doing this with anything, 8x or ax or 6x ffs. Anyway I guess it's just one of those hands that are so random vs a player like this that it's really a flip whether to call or not because he definitely plays 78/910/56/59 pretty much the same as Ax here. He was doing stuff like floating K9 OOP on a flop of 10-2-4 and and then potting a Q turn and then spiking the J obv. It's so ridiculous playing these guys - I just feel like you need to be a huge station and hope you run well.

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11-10-2009, 11:28 AM

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I always have trouble with the people in hand one, they are the sorts of players that tilt me most. I feel as though I have a huge edge on them, and so the money should flow my way fast, but I end up nitcamping and getting frustrated when I don't get a hand. In the situation in hand 1, really I find he can have A2C here. I usually just click call, at least you get some information.

Ravageur

11-10-2009, 11:43 AM

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too soon for results? Hand 1 the fish had 9-10 so I was good for once, though he proceeded to crack my AA with KQ all in preflop and then hit gutters vs my top pair twice for a few more lol. He left an nl 600 euro table with over 5k euro and then donked it all off to the high stakes regs. Sigh.

Hand 2 the reg timed down, wrote 'AA' in chat and folded.

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