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Silly String
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11-13-2009, 09:07 PM
Post subject: Simple spot I have a lot of trouble with
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Villain is 29/24/2 and unremarkable over 40 hands. He 3bets 7% so far and I think he tries to play well.
Hero is running about 22/19 & 3betting 15% so probably looking kinda aggro TAG.
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (UTG) ($127.45)
MP ($132.55)
Button ($100)
SB ($151.50)
BB ($251.80)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , A
Hero bets $3, 1 fold, Button calls $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2
Flop: ($9.50) 3 , 7, 8 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7, Button calls $7, 1 fold
Turn: ($23.50) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $17, Button calls $17
River: ($57.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero
I realize the turn is a b/f, but does that make the river a c/f?
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dranger7070
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b/f both streets.
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Silly String
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Any sizing tips would be terrific. I feel b/f $30 on the river seems like I put a lot of my stack in to fold at this point.
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dranger7070
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Hmm... hes got $73 behind in a $57 pot. I can't stand to just c/f here though.
I think a committing number would be better than 1/2 pot here. Like 38-42 would probably be perfect for a b/f here. This way, you're betting enough so that hes never thinking he has FE, so he's never shoving over as a bluff. But at the same time, he'll call off with a lot of other stuff that we beat, and sometimes stuff that beats us.
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Dragon Slayer
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Any timing tells on this Vil? For instance in this hand were they like insta calls? Or did he think about it for a min?
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Originally Posted by Dragon Slayer
Any timing tells on this Vil? For instance in this hand were they like insta calls? Or did he think about it for a min?
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This actually makes the hand less interesting imo. Pretend there are no tells even if there were, and treat it as a wide range/ awkward stack size problem.
If the river is awkward with bet/stack sizes on a blank, it usually means something has gone wrong earlier in the hand. But it doesnt seem to have. B/f definitly looks good on the turn.
What worse hands call a river bet here? I find it hard to believe A8 is calling again. 9T/TJ isnt calling. 45 probably isnt. 56 got there. The flush got there. He has to 3bet TT+ preflop to get those stats. The only hands I see value from are if he decided to float with a Q, although given your read and his general looseness that doesnt seem tremendously unlikely. I want to block bet but given hes fairly aggro I think he could bluff raise a decent ammount with a missed straight draw, or maybe even turn a pair below Qs into a bluff. I guess I must have trouble with these spots too  .
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meeloche
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Just bet 35 or something he's never gonna jam worse so you can pretty easily b/f.
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dranger7070
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Another thing I just realized is, are you opening 3x from all positions? I typically 4x from EP-HJ, then 3x the CO, and either 2-3x the BTN. If you had 4x'd PF, making the flop pot ~$11, so u can bet 9-10, making turn pot ~$30, letting u b/f for 20-22, setting up an ez river shove or something.
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meeloche
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Yeah I'm also a fan of 4x utg at 100nl.
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I think you played hand well to river, I would just c/fold at this point unless bet was smaller than 1/2 pot.
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Silly String
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by meeloche
Yeah I'm also a fan of 4x utg at 100nl.
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Actually I 4x UTG and 3x everywhere else. This particular hand was 5 handed though so I just 3x'd it.
And as for timing tells, I used to rep a general situation that I have trouble with(TT, AQ would play similar for me). I am not too concerned about this particular hand.
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