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IowaSkinsFan

03-05-2008, 04:03 AM Post subject: Sick or stupid

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I'm playing super laggro and opp is normally tight but has been threebetting light. I'm pretty sure I can exploit him with aggression post flop and get paid off very light when i hit. If you don't like the preflop call, then fine, but lets not discuss that, I'm well aware of the pro's and con's of it. Also, again, please dont question the minraise preflop. I assume his check behind range is pretty normal.

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Table 'Cygnus' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Joe_Banks ($98.55 in chips)
Seat 2: heybude ($429.50 in chips)
Seat 3: pennstate09 ($69.55 in chips)
Seat 4: elproblema ($298.30 in chips)
Seat 5: TheAwfulDin ($198 in chips)
Seat 6: tofirstorder ($221.10 in chips)
TheAwfulDin: posts small blind $1
tofirstorder: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [Jh 8h]
Joe_Banks: folds
heybude: raises $2 to $4
pennstate09: folds
elproblema: raises $12 to $16
TheAwfulDin: folds
tofirstorder: folds
heybude: calls $12
*** FLOP *** [8d 3s Ad]
heybude: checks
elproblema: checks
*** TURN *** [8d 3s Ad] [Qc]
heybude: checks
elproblema: bets $24
heybude: raises $48 to $72
elproblema: calls $48
*** RIVER *** [8d 3s Ad Qc] [9d]
heybude: bets $156 (about pot)

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Numbr2intheWorld

03-05-2008, 04:30 AM

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I still don't think you fold Ax.

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03-05-2008, 04:50 AM

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I don't like it all with your image. I don't even know if KQ folds. The diamond on the river makes me want to call you even more.

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03-05-2008, 06:39 AM

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you should get snapped off instantly but who knows

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03-05-2008, 07:41 AM

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nope

unless there s a specific hand you've played that means you'd go for a dbl checkraise with your big draw I'd prefer leading turn and overbetting riv, looks a LOT more like a big draw that got there

it s hard for you to rep a big river hand when he s more likely to have a big draw on the turn than you (assuming your read that he's capable of 3-betting you lighter than normal)

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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03-05-2008, 07:42 AM

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p.s. tell me he called you down w 77?

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Marshall28

03-05-2008, 03:04 PM

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elproblema I promise is way too nitty and not good enough to call down here w/ 77.

on the same note, he is bad enough to not fold any 2 pr, I'm not even quite sure if he understands that 2pr and Ax have the same hand strength in this situation.

u know i dont like your minraise preflop, but since i have a lot of experience playing this super laggy style, unless I have a specific history w/ villain I would never attempt a play like this, my image gets me called just far too light here.

i love your creativity and the fact that you try stuff like this (i've had a lot of respect for your game since the first time i sat w/ u), but i think this is a spot that just isn't going to end up profitable in the long run as a bluff.

but like i said before, this is all super game flow dependent, if he's seen take this line w/ a set then it's much more likely to get a fold here, but I REALLY HOPE that if you are playing a hyper agro style that you would never take this line w/ a set. it's not congruent w/ the image. (unless of course history and game flow dictate it -- which none of us can know)

IowaSkinsFan

03-05-2008, 08:31 PM

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Frankly, I think the conclusion that I should get snapped off instantly is just stupid.

First off, I'm not playing smart people here. Your retarded not to play a super exploitable range when your playing retards.

Second off my range isnt super unbalanced here. I'd probably go bet/bet here with 88/33/AQ/A3 but I tend to be pretty random about my moves. I know I'd definetely play a flush draw this way, if not most of the time.

Third, if you do a range analysis here, you'd realize opps range is really weak here. He is very unlikely to have a flush, set, or AQ. Nor do I expect him to threebet 88/33/A8/A3 preflop. So pretty much if he has A9 or AA, or doubtful JTs i guess he doesnt have better than one pair.

I think you may be blinded by the fact I have J8 here and I'm taking the most massive FE line I could. Even so who cares? Sometimes you just gotta dare em to call amirite?

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03-05-2008, 08:36 PM

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i guess he doesnt have better than one pair.

If he has one pair it'd be pretty weird to see anything besides Ax. Saying that he has "one pair" kind of dulls this point. I also think the times that he's trapping off-set the times where he is for some reason floating your turn raise.

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First off, I'm not playing smart people here. Your retarded not to play a super exploitable range when your playing retards.

this is a very good point

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03-05-2008, 08:51 PM

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Nor do I expect him to threebet 88/33/A8/A3 preflop.

Then we have different perceptions of what: "threebetting light" means.

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03-05-2008, 09:00 PM

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well dude, if you're playing an exploitable range (which is understandable) and you say that you randomize your moves a lot ... like what kind of advice did you expect to get?

im supposing that by doing all this you are just hoping to confuse your opponent ... it's either that or i am super leveled by your play/reasoning, and if that's the case, it begs the question, why are you even questioning your play or playing like this in the first place since if your opposition is so bad straightforward play is going to be more optimal.

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03-05-2008, 09:45 PM

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Nor do I expect him to threebet 88/33/A8/A3 preflop.

Then we have different perceptions of what: "threebetting light" means.

those hands are very poor candidates for threebetting in position by even the lightest threebettors.

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03-05-2008, 10:29 PM

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03-05-2008, 10:43 PM

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BINGO

on OP or....

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03-05-2008, 10:52 PM

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bingo on what part sauce?

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03-05-2008, 11:10 PM

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03-05-2008, 11:12 PM

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massimo ... we just get leveled?

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03-05-2008, 11:16 PM

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I don't like this btw

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03-06-2008, 12:35 AM

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Nor do I expect him to threebet 88/33/A8/A3 preflop.

Then we have different perceptions of what: "threebetting light" means.

those hands are very poor candidates for threebetting in position by even the lightest threebettors.

If ISF is running 45/35 or whatever he said hes aiming to in his blog whats wrong with 3 betting 88 or an A8s type of hand here for value? I think we get called by a lot worse and we have position and command of the hand. This is ignoring the fact that ISF will probably pwn his competition post flop.

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03-06-2008, 12:57 AM

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BINGO

on OP or....

i see lots of bingo material in the first half of the thread, but not so much in the latter...

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03-06-2008, 01:04 AM

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lol preflop

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03-06-2008, 01:39 AM

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why did you minraise pre? this seems pretty bad imo.

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