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Numbr2intheWorld
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05-14-2007, 07:28 PM
Post subject: Sick fold or Stupid fold?
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opponent is 17/13 over 150 hands. He's been pretty aggressive, but seems a bit nitty. I'm pretty sure i'm only beating a bluff here...
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($214.45)
UTG ($203)
MP ($205.20)
CO ($270.70)
Button ($116.10)
SB ($246.15)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q , A .
1 fold, MP raises to $8, 3 folds, Hero calls $6.
Flop: ($17) J, A , A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $8, Hero raises to $26, MP calls $18.
Turn: ($69) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $34, Hero calls $34.
River: ($137) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets 137.20 (All in), Hero folds
Final Pot: $137
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why didn't you lead the turn?
i like a blocking bet on the river here, but given the previous action, it wouldn't make sense.
i do think you folded the best hand though. there are a lot of Ax hands you beat. even KK or QQ might play like this.
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zook
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I like a 3-bet pre and I really don't like the flop c/r when you're wa/wb. Donking or c/c'ing flop is much better. As played you've made your flop c/r look like a J, which makes the river decision tough. I prob fold here too though, blech.
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zenbitz
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c/r c/c looks to me like you don't think he has an ace and are trying to get a cheap showdown with JX or a pair. It's a PSB and you have trips + 2nd kicker. I think you have to call, given how you underrepped your hand on the turn.
The funny thing is - aside from the off-chance of the back door crub frush, I LIKE how you played this (assuming you are trying to induce bluff on the river and call).
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Fnord
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I don't get what Hero is trying to do with his line here.
I like check/calling the flop and leading the turn against this nit as that line has some nice properties for getting the most out of pairs and air while giving us lots of room to get away from the stuff that has us crushed as his range out of the Hi-Jack figures to be kinda tight.
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gabe
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i agree with fnord. "i dont get what hero is trying to do"
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Numbr2intheWorld
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I agree check/raise on flop isn't good, especially if i'm going to play it like this.
My main interest is if the river is a fold or a call.
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sauce123
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agree ur line isnt that great but as played i think the river is a good fold...
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by zook
I like a 3-bet pre
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I was actually thinking that i may want to fold pre.
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dsaxton
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I usually use these situations as an opportunity let my opponent hang himself, as there is really nothing to be gained by playing aggressively. As others have said, the flop check-raise doesn't accomplish anything. He might even fold trips with a weak kicker. I'm probably checking and calling most of the way unless I spike a Q or the case A.
As played, I'd probably call. It's hard to imagine how you are beat unless you got seriously coolered by a boat. Since the A of clubs is on the flop, it's unlikely he backdoored a flush.
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Genitruc
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If you're gonna fold I think you have to do it after making a strong turn bet
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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biondino
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It's hard to imagine how you are beat
Is it though? If the dude has an ace - and with the aggression you've shown he has to think you've got one - then with a PFR of 13 he is probably only behind if he's got AT (and even then I can't believe he'd push that river), since AJ and AK are both way ahead.
I don't see KK or QQ playing this way ever because PEOPLE CAN'T FOLD TRIPS (maybe they can at $200, I dunno) so it'd be hugely risky to bluff all-in on the river.
Another possibility is JJ - the bet sizing on the turn, of half the pot, is giving flush draws decent enough implied odds that they'll probably call/raise.
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Rondavu
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Reraise preflop, Lead flop, Lead turn, Eat a hamburger
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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