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noble007

01-04-2007, 12:52 PM Post subject: Should you ever really call a raise in 6 max?

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Q.2 What can you call a raise with?
Say UG or UG+1 raises 4* bb & has pfr% of less than 12.
(Basically I was watching a video on Cardrunners.com where the dude was saying if you call a raise, but it's a hand you will only play if the flop hits you in some way eg. top pair, 4 to a flush, open ended straight, then it will always be -ev longterm.
I mean a) are anybodies low pocket pairs 22-66 showing a longterm profit in Poker tracker when calling a raise trying to hit a set? Mine aren't (even though I only do it when we both have close to full stacks) that is why I am thinking of drastically lowering the amount of times I do this.
b) are anybodies suited connectors below 8 in the green longterm, mine aren't?
c)KQ,KJ,QJ,AJ, are often dominated and anything better AQ,AK pp's JJ and higher you will usually re-raise with.

I mean I understand that you will have position post flop & at the higher limits you can't take these hands out of your game or you will be too easy to read, but after reviewing my stats it seems my play will be a lot more profitable at lower limits by eliminating calling raises (for the most part) from my game.

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Pelion

01-04-2007, 01:17 PM

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If hes raising 2% of hands then calling to set is obvious.

If hes raising 10% then hes protected by having a wide range. In other words he isnt going to be stacking off with much of his range so

If hes only willing to stack off with say half of his raising range (probably quite generous)

a) He hits or misses / you miss => he takes a small pot on the flop (most of the time) ~88%

b) He misses / you hit => you take a small pot on the flop/turn ~ 6%

c) He hits /you hit => You stack him ~6%

So you are actually only stacking him 1/16 of the time. This means even the 10:1 rule is way out of line.

BUT if hes only stacking off with half his range then logically we can push him off the other half. Now if you actually try to push him off half the time he raises he'll realise pretty quickly but if you start floating when you think he's missed you can start to regain alot of that lost value.

so in short

Calling raises in 6max (or anything else) at 100bbs deep when you only intend to play a flopped set sucks against anyone whos moderately aggressive. If you start playing poker after the flop with position then calling preflop may or may not work out for you depending on how good you are at poker.

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DubRod

01-04-2007, 03:21 PM

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I hate calling OOP and if I cant reraise it i'll probably fold unless there is multiple callers and I have a speculative hand.

IowaSkinsFan

01-04-2007, 04:51 PM

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versus all types of players you'll want to call raises in position sometimes with low sc's and such.

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