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Old 02-21-2008, 12:55 AM     Post subject: Should i have shoved or c/c river? #1 (permalink)  
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Looking at this hand I dont feel I played the river correctly, the bad thing about this is I have no idea why. Maybe just because I lost the pot.

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Button ($9.80)
Hero ($9.90)
BB ($17.45)
UTG ($10.90)
MP ($31.60)
CO ($1.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4, K.
3 folds, Button calls $0.10, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.30) K, K, A (3 players)
Hero bets $0.2, BB folds, Button raises to $0.4, Hero raises to $1.4, Button calls $1.

Turn: ($3.10) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.6, Hero raises to $3, Button calls $2.40.

River: ($9.10) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $5.3 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $3.80

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Button doesn't show.
Outcome: Button wins $14.40.
 
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Old 02-21-2008, 05:31 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I dunno I don't think you can fold here. I mean half your stacks were commited before the river, if he hits the 2 outter, so be it. I probably check call. I also lead turn instead of c/r.
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Old 02-21-2008, 01:26 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 He has the A. Your never committed when it's obvious your beat. I am a big proponent of not getting a 1/3 of your stack in and folding often, but this is an obvious fold. You've shown strength throughout the hand, and he's done what he can to control the pot, until that river fell. You raised him twice and he still waited to get it in. Fold
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Old 02-21-2008, 04:40 PM #4 (permalink)  
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man i really dont like the way u played the turn or the river.

you have to realize this is a limped pot, you can't go crazy in limped pots w/out a near lock hand. K4 is definitely far from that in this situation. if you b/3b the flop and villain just calls, why do you check the turn? ...

it doesn't make any sense that he would bet the turn after just calling the flop if he was ever behind ... so you decide to checkraise, turning your hand even more face up, and giving villain every opportunity to fold an ace.

it appears when he jams river that he did end up having the ace, in which case you should have been bet/raise bet/raise every street if he is that bad to stack off w/ an ace on AKK board in a limped pot. otherwise, you shouldn't give him all these opportunities to fold. he basically has a bluff catcher hand so play the hand like you would a bluff, not like you have the nuts!

i would actually have expected villain to have a K w/ better kicker here pretty often, but obviously this guy is so inept that there was no reason to do this fancy checkraise on the turn. it just doesnt make sense ... if he called your flop raise, it means he is trapping or he has a marginal hand that thinks you're bluffing, so he wouldn't bet the turn. i actually think villain could have air here the more i think about it.
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Old 02-21-2008, 05:13 PM #5 (permalink)  
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if he called your flop raise, it means he is trapping or he has a marginal hand that thinks you're bluffing, so he wouldn't bet the turn. i actually think villain could have air here the more i think about it.
Pretty much why I advocated C/C river. Villains line makes no sense so I think he could very well be making a spewy bluff on river which makes absolutely no sense just because it was checked to him. I think it happens enough at 10NL to call 3:1 on river, but maybe thats just me.
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