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Old 08-03-2008, 01:21 PM     Post subject: Should I be considering a fold..? #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is a pretty nitty 11/10/3 and has played zero all in pots in the 65 prior hands I have with him. Comments welcome on all streets but I'm mainly interested in the river.

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SB ($80.10)
Hero ($50)
UTG ($117.90)
MP ($17.50)
Button ($69.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with :Ac: .
1 fold, MP raises to $1, Button calls $1, SB calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.50.

Flop: ($4) :Ah: (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($4) (4 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3, MP folds, Button folds.

River: ($10) :As: (2 players)
SB bets $76.1 (All-In), Hero...

Final Pot: $10
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Old 08-03-2008, 01:38 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Just a cooler.

Even if he leads, you're raising and he 3 bets ai if he has you beat. No way you're not getting all your loose change in this pot.

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Old 08-03-2008, 02:29 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I'd never fold this, because he can be value shoving soooo many worse hands.

It really doesn't look like you have a boat (as he'd expect you to raise two pairs/sets earlier), so this can be a value shove from 6's full, or 7's full or somehow a backdoor flush or something.
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Old 08-03-2008, 04:35 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 he flatted out of sb. Id expect him to have 66/77 5 times as often as A6/A7 based on that alone, plus card w/ removal I'd say you're good 90% of the time. Each of those hands makes this play to get value from your obv backdoor flush cause u would bet or raise somewhere if u had aces full now obv!! fistpump call
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Old 08-03-2008, 06:48 PM #5 (permalink)  
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definitely agree this is a fistpump call as he can have worse boats a ton of the time i.e. 66,77, as well as backdoor flushes.
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Old 08-03-2008, 06:52 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I don't know about backdoor flushes - making that kind of huge overbet without a boat on that board is a kind of stupid that doesn't resemble his stats. But I do agree with him having sets that turned into boats - those should be most of his hands.

Sadly for me, not this time.
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:38 PM #7 (permalink)  
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This is a pretty routine re-raise for me pre-flop.
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:36 AM #8 (permalink)  
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This is a pretty routine re-raise for me pre-flop.
Pre-flop?

Uhh, the turn?

I'd always raise the turn here.

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Old 08-04-2008, 12:39 AM #9 (permalink)  
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I'd love to hear thoughts on what that min-raise from EP means.

I used to assume it was a donks version of value with a monster (slightly upgraded version of limping UTG), but I'm starting to lean towards a really weak hand instead. Seeing stuff like small PPs, SCs, weak Ax.
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:48 AM #10 (permalink)  
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For me it doesn't mean much.

Nothing to do with his position; but the minimum bet size.

Whatever he's got it's alreasy been topped up before OP's call. The pot size doesn't much effect odds (just makes the overall pot bigger). Here, I think, there are good odds for joining in the family pot fun.
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Old 08-04-2008, 03:47 AM #11 (permalink)  
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that doesn't exactly look like a value bet. I don't see how you can fold a boat here ever.
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Old 08-04-2008, 11:03 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 id raise the turn here occaisionally. as played i agree with nuts that its 66/77 way more than a A6/A7. ez call with less than 100bbs.
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