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Old 10-05-2009, 01:18 AM     Post subject: Should this be a 3bet or fold pre from MP? (NL 50) #1 (permalink)  
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UTG is a nitty 15/11
CO is 21/16
both over large sample size
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UTG ($51.50)
Hero (MP) ($52.60)
CO ($50)
Button ($50)
SB ($47.55)
BB ($54.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, K
UTG bets $2, Hero calls $2, CO calls $2, 3 folds

Flop: ($6.75) J, 6, 5 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5, CO calls $5, 1 fold

Turn: ($16.75) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $12, Hero ??

Total pot: $16.75
Co could be calling with a ton of draws and hands that crush us. How does this look for his flop calling range in a multiway pot?
JJ-99,66-55,AQs-A8s,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,AQo-AJo
I would think hes 3 betting JJ,66,55 though.
flop we are 60% or so Turn brings us to 50% against that range?
I dont think that a turn bet gets him off much. Thoughts on the hand?
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:20 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Fold pre most of the time vs a nit UTG
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:24 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Fold pre most of the time vs a nit UTG
Forgot to add, fishie players in the blinds.
A better call from CO or BTN?
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 I'm never folding the turn. AJ is checking behind, and he's raising QJ, sometimes a slowplayed set, and all of his floats.
Floating is popular, yo.

I call and c/f the river without history.
I fold pre a lot, but I don't think it's a huge mistake, especially if there aren't any squeeze happy players behind, and fish in the blinds.

I'd also c/r that turn sometimes with my draws rather than barrel if I've seen the villain float with air before.
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Old 10-05-2009, 04:31 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I'm never folding the turn. AJ is checking behind, and he's raising QJ, sometimes a slowplayed set, and all of his floats.
Floating is popular, yo.

I call and c/f the river without history.
I fold pre a lot, but I don't think it's a huge mistake, especially if there aren't any squeeze happy players behind, and fish in the blinds.

I'd also c/r that turn sometimes with my draws rather than barrel if I've seen the villain float with air before.
Ya no real history. These are the kind of marginal spots I struggle with.
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 If you are good postflop, and there aren't religious squeezers behind then - Call>>>>>Fold>>>>3 bet.
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If you are good postflop, and there aren't religious squeezers behind then - Call>>>>>Fold>>>>3 bet.
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 agree with toadstool for preflop. postflop- on the turn im generally betting but as played certainly calling and evaluating river
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