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euphoricism

06-01-2007, 07:21 PM Post subject: Shortstack CO

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CO starts the hand with $13. Wtf do I do, I hate this situation and it comes up so often at absolute because the default buyin is less than 50BB.

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with J

UTG, folds, UTG+1 (poster) checks, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero raises to $3.5, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, SB folds.

Flop: 3

($8, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, CO raises all-in $9.59, Hero folds.

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06-01-2007, 07:28 PM

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If he's a 45+/10+ I raise him all in. If he's tighter or raising less I fold this pre flop. On the flop you need to push as well, he'll do this with any PP, since your 30% to hit the Q.

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06-01-2007, 07:29 PM

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I dont know, I just sat.

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06-01-2007, 08:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

If he's a 45+/10+ I raise him all in. If he's tighter or raising less I fold this pre flop.

Agree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

On the flop you need to push as well, he'll do this with any PP, since your 30% to hit the Q.

I think he could get the same result with a bigger bet. Bet 6-8 instead of 4 and your fold equity will be a lot closer to what it would be if your were jamming.

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06-01-2007, 08:19 PM

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What was the sb's stack size? That would heavily impact your pfr amount should you be considering jamming.

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06-01-2007, 08:43 PM

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Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $41.68
UTG+1: $20
CO: $13.09
Button: $168.85
SB: $30.31
Hero: $50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with J

UTG, folds, UTG+1 (poster) checks, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero raises to $3.5, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, SB folds.

Flop: 3

($8, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, CO raises all-in $9.59, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $5.59 returned to CO.

Results:
Final pot: $16

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06-01-2007, 08:48 PM

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sb probably raises anything beating you preflop. I think you could jam here pre ...

I think you can fold on the flop after your c-bet gets raised.

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06-01-2007, 08:55 PM

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Same thing. Very common.

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $16.68
UTG+1: $53.32
Hero: $52.05
Button: $20.25
SB: $38.69
BB: $24.34

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with K

2 folds, Hero raises to $2, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 9

($4.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button raises to $6, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $3 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $10.75

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06-01-2007, 10:46 PM

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I would just check in the BB with AJo and get all in if you hit TP.
I would just check/fold the flop in hand 2. Well... now I waffle. c-betting might fold a small pair... he has to fold about 40% of the time for this to be a good bet.

This is very weak and passive, but IMHO you should just wait until you have a pair to stack these guys.

Jamming pre-flop with AJ is OK since they will probably fold, and might even call with nothing. More likely they call with AQ+/pairs which is not a great range for you. +EV, but only a little.

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06-01-2007, 11:31 PM

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First hand is standard.

On the second hand you posted I would probably check the flop and give up. It might seem weak, but with your raise I think it's highly likely villain connects here, though we lose some value to smaller PPs. I don't cbet every single time, it's based on board texture. If it was A 5 7 or Q 8 2 I would do it, but with all the near-broadway action and a low chance of improving, I'm not bothering based on villain's likely range here.

I don't like raising with KJo unless I'm on the button, or folded to in the SB.

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06-02-2007, 12:08 AM

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I'm not folding hand 1 to the flop raise. 5.5o to call, pots over 20. You've got an ok tilt/donk catcher getting 4 to 1.

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06-02-2007, 06:19 AM

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Villain has $16, its 25NL. Third guy is full stacked.

MOREACESPLZ - Posts small blind $0.10
HIESTER - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to EUPHOLOGI [Ac Ah]
RASPUT1N - Folds
ALEXG81 - Calls $0.25
EUPHOLOGI - Raises $1.25 to $1.25
HEROIC69 - Folds
MOREACESPLZ - Calls $1.15
HIESTER - Calls $1
ALEXG81 - Calls $1
*** FLOP *** [4h 7d 6d]
MOREACESPLZ - Checks
HIESTER - Bets $2.25
ALEXG81 - Folds
EUPHOLOGI - Calls $2.25 wanted to see what the 3rd guy did...
MOREACESPLZ - Folds
*** TURN *** [4h 7d 6d] [7c]
HIESTER - Bets $4.75
EUPHOLOGI - Raises $13.25 to $13.25 if he's got a hand, GG? This turn card doesnt really change a whole lot as he's not going to have A7 or K7 or something like that IMO

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06-02-2007, 06:19 AM

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But is there some cardinal rule I'm missing with shorties? They murder me.

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06-02-2007, 11:24 AM

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Yes. If they show any strength post-flop - even cbets - they are never folding, so never try to bluff them, and fold if they bet and you're unimproved (and don't have a good draw). No fold equity + no implied odds = no reason to risk chips without odds.

Similarly, you can safely call with hands like TPWK because they'll bet/push with anything that hits.

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06-02-2007, 11:54 AM

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First hand:

Quote:

Originally Posted by vegascoop

I'm not folding hand 1 to the flop raise. 5.5o to call, pots over 20. You've got an ok tilt/donk catcher getting 4 to 1.

KJ hand is standard.

AA hand raise the flop.

Once in a blue moon you will find a nitty short stack who plays short because he doesn't want to gamble. Most of the time it's the other way around. They play higher than they can afford to buy in for full just because they want to gamble. So gamble with them if you have anything decent. Pay close attention to stack sizes. Either make your pre-flop raise small enough to c-bet/fold or big enough to never fold the flop. Obviously playing stuff like SCs is pointless.

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06-02-2007, 03:19 PM

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First hand is standard.

Yes, except he's supposed to call the raise all in.

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