SHNL **** Thread {nsfw by request}

[meeloche]

Post all your random quick questions here along with any other random poker related ****:

for all you with tilt problems:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bb8P...eature=related

[bigspenda73]

in

[kmind]

I like this idea

[Alexos]

about time!

18/18/10.7 3b and fucks with me constantly
tanks flop forever and shoves over minraise

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($288.10)
BB ($56)
UTG ($185.45)
MP ($32.70)
CO ($17.50)
Hero (Button) ($127.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, Q
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero bets $6, SB raises to $16, 2 folds, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($34) K, 7, 10 (2 players)
SB bets $22, Hero raises to $44, SB raises to $272.10 (All-In), Hero calls $67.95 (All-In)

Turn: ($257.90) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($257.90) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $257.90 | Rake: $3



standard?

[bigspenda73]

only if you hate money

only if you hate money

call frop?

[Alexos]

Played poker with Don Cheadle. He read my soul. I'm a chat fish. But tbh I just wanted to have fun and play with the pros.

Full Tilt Poker Game #13522755267: Table Stoneypeak (6 max, ante, deep) - $5/$10 Ante $1.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:08:53 ET - 2009/07/21
Seat 1: Trans4m ($1,462.50)
Seat 2: migs2 ($1,109)
Seat 3: Don Cheadle ($1,928)
Seat 4: Nataraja ($1,000)
Seat 5: sk1952 ($831.05)
Seat 6: HYPNOTO4D ($1,995.50)
HYPNOTO4D antes $1.50
Trans4m antes $1.50
sk1952 antes $1.50
migs2 antes $1.50
Don Cheadle antes $1.50
Trans4m posts the small blind of $5
migs2 posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Trans4m [Qd Qs]
Don Cheadle raises to $20
sk1952 folds
HYPNOTO4D folds
Trans4m raises to $100
migs2 folds
Don Cheadle calls $80
*** FLOP *** [Th 5c 2c]
Trans4m has 15 seconds left to act
Trans4m bets $170
Don Cheadle raises to $727.50
Trans4m has 15 seconds left to act
Trans4m has requested TIME
Trans4m: really don?
Don Cheadle: yep
DennyFrench (Observer): Oh Donny boy
Trans4m raises to $1,285
Don Cheadle: uhoh
Don Cheadle has 15 seconds left to act
Trans4m: slowroll?
Don Cheadle has requested TIME
Don Cheadle: me? never
Trans4m: ure priced in
Trans4m: i think
Don Cheadle: I am?
Trans4m: i dno
Trans4m: what u got
Trans4m: ill tell u
Don Cheadle: no if you got KK
Trans4m: i dont
Don Cheadle: A 10
Trans4m: oh
Trans4m: good fold
DennyFrench (Observer): call it
Don Cheadle folds
Uncalled bet of $557.50 returned to Trans4m
Trans4m mucks
Trans4m wins the pot ($1,669.50)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1,672.50 | Rake $3
Board: [Th 5c 2c]
Seat 1: Trans4m (small blind) collected ($1,669.50), mucked
Seat 2: migs2 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Don Cheadle folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Nataraja is sitting out
Seat 5: sk1952 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: HYPNOTO4D (button) folded before the Flop


Raising to find out where you're at is not always bad

[Irisheyes]

So sick that you started this thread and now you're gonna take credid for my idea.

Bagsy starting the next one when this one gets huge.


Villain just sat with this stack size so probably fish,

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero (CO) ($400.00)
BTN ($1261.81)
SB ($284.21)
BB ($291.32)

Pre-flop: ($6, 4 players) Hero is CO
Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, SB calls $12, 1 fold

Flop: ($32, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $28, SB raises to $56, $28 to Hero ($358)?

[Irisheyes]

iopq: it's fine

Alexos: First rule of chat club; if they chat it's because they want a call.

[Alexos]

o rly

[Alexos]

god r we really gonna post strategy in this thread???

[bigspenda73]

can a mod make it NSFW so I can post some hotteeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

[Alexos]

i feel really bad for sucking out on him... is this normal? Fwiw id never feel bad for sucking out on ANYONE usually

Full Tilt Poker Game #13523283266: Table Stoneypeak (6 max, ante, deep) - $5/$10 Ante $1.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:40:06 ET - 2009/07/21
Seat 1: Trans4m ($2,681.80)
Seat 2: migs2 ($1,517)
Seat 3: Don Cheadle ($968)
Seat 4: Nataraja ($1,000)
Seat 5: sk1952 ($976.10)
Seat 6: HYPNOTO4D ($1,340.05)
Trans4m antes $1.50
Nataraja antes $1.50
migs2 antes $1.50
HYPNOTO4D antes $1.50
Don Cheadle antes $1.50
sk1952 antes $1.50
Trans4m posts the small blind of $5
migs2 posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Trans4m [Jc Js]
Don Cheadle raises to $20
Nataraja folds
Nataraja adds $1.50
sk1952 has 15 seconds left to act
sk1952 raises to $40
HYPNOTO4D folds
Trans4m has 15 seconds left to act
Trans4m calls $35
migs2 folds
Don Cheadle raises to $179
sk1952 calls $139
Trans4m has 15 seconds left to act
Trans4m calls $139
*** FLOP *** [4s 7c Jd]
Trans4m checks
Don Cheadle bets $787.50, and is all in
sk1952 folds
Trans4m calls $787.50
Don Cheadle shows [Kd Kc]
Trans4m shows [Jc Js]
*** TURN *** [4s 7c Jd] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [4s 7c Jd 5d] [9s]
Don Cheadle shows a pair of Kings
Trans4m shows three of a kind, Jacks
Trans4m wins the pot ($2,128) with three of a kind, Jacks
Don Cheadle adds $500
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2,131 | Rake $3
Board: [4s 7c Jd 5d 9s]
Seat 1: Trans4m (small blind) showed [Jc Js] and won ($2,128) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 2: migs2 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Don Cheadle showed [Kd Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: Nataraja folded before the Flop
Seat 5: sk1952 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: HYPNOTO4D (button) folded before the Flop

[Parasurama]

aren't you a mod?

[bigspenda73]

obv not yo

[Parasurama]

obv not yo

oh shit true nvm

[zook]

alexos: how can you feel bad? dude's rich! and famous! he probably had some chick blowing him during that hand

[meeloche]

So sick that you started this thread and now you're gonna take credid for my idea.

Naw I'm not like that, just pulled the trigger instead of waiting for somebody else to.

Bagsy starting the next one when this one gets huge.

I don't drink enough Guinness to know what this means.

[zook]

Bet/fold? How much? Villain is a reg, bit spewy. Thinks I'm terrrrible. Has berated me in chat before

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

CO ($406)
Button ($400)
SB ($1275.20)
BB ($400)
Hero (UTG) ($804)
MP ($474)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, Q
Hero bets $14, MP calls $14, 4 folds

Flop: ($34) 6, 9, J (2 players)
Hero bets $24, MP calls $24

Turn: ($82) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $66, MP calls $66

River: ($214) K (2 players)
Hero ($370 eff.)...

[Irisheyes]

So sick that you started this thread and now you're gonna take credid for my idea.

Naw I'm not like that, just pulled the trigger instead of waiting for somebody else to.

Bagsy starting the next one when this one gets huge.

I don't drink enough Guinness to know what this means.

No worries I was only joking around anyway.

[Alexos]

Bet/fold? How much? Villain is a reg, bit spewy. Thinks I'm terrrrible. Has berated me in chat before

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

CO ($406)
Button ($400)
SB ($1275.20)
BB ($400)
Hero (UTG) ($804)
MP ($474)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, Q
Hero bets $14, MP calls $14, 4 folds

Flop: ($34) 6, 9, J (2 players)
Hero bets $24, MP calls $24

Turn: ($82) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $66, MP calls $66

River: ($214) K (2 players)
Hero ($370 eff.)...

175$

I play it tricky like a MORON and then holy fuck the turn rapes me and I'm like why didn't I just fucking raise the flop
villain is 19/13 with 8.7 3b I don't remember my reads on him since session was earlier

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($100)
SB ($100)
Hero (BB) ($150.15)
UTG ($102.25)
MP ($155.10)
CO ($192)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, 10
1 fold, MP bets $3.50, 2 folds, SB calls $3, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($10.50) A, K, 10 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $7.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $7.50

Turn: ($25.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($25.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $18, Hero calls $18

Total pot: $61.50 | Rake: $3

[zook]

Bet/fold? How much? Villain is a reg, bit spewy. Thinks I'm terrrrible. Has berated me in chat before

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

CO ($406)
Button ($400)
SB ($1275.20)
BB ($400)
Hero (UTG) ($804)
MP ($474)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, Q
Hero bets $14, MP calls $14, 4 folds

Flop: ($34) 6, 9, J (2 players)
Hero bets $24, MP calls $24

Turn: ($82) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $66, MP calls $66

River: ($214) K (2 players)
Hero ($370 eff.)...

175$

I picked $180 but couldn't find the fold button. Villain had royal ldo

[BigPapi]

the next book from the authors of Professional No Limit Hold'em seems to be out as an ebook since last month:

http://smallstakesnolimitholdem.com/

has anyone got this already?

edit: never mind, found the thread:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ok-t86155.html

villain is a tag I don't have reads on yet and I'm fucking retarded:

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($20)
BB ($107.75)
UTG ($100)
Hero (MP) ($160.25)
Button ($246.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 5, 5
UTG bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 6, J, A (2 players)
UTG bets $6, Hero raises to $17, UTG calls $11

Turn: ($42.50) 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($42.50) 8 (2 players)
UTG bets $30, Hero raises to $139.75 (All-In), UTG calls $49.50 (All-In)

Total pot: $201.50 | Rake: $3

[BigPapi]

Wouldnt all your value hands just bet turn after he calls flop?

I would rather bet river when he checks, dont see why he would b/f for 50 more after he bets 30 on the river.

yes that's why I'm retarded

[IowaSkinsFan]

I'm pretty sure Alexos was joking this entire thread besides the bet size post

[Alexos]

I'm pretty sure Alexos was joking this entire thread besides the bet size post

ehehe, feeling bad for don cheadle was half true also

[Irisheyes]

€300 says I can make my blueline touch my redline by the end of the month!!? Mostly 1/2 btw.

[bspahn]

villain is 26/19/4.5 with 3bet 9.8%
i have some history with him and I know he's very capable of double and triple barreling (cbet turn 64%, cbet riv 70%)

this is why I played the hand this way, do you think this is optimal?


$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG sirpaul ($200.10)
CO DerMeisters ($178.78)
BTN Devan_AA ($403.50)
SB friga ($215.00)
BB Hero ($200.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is BB
2 folds, Devan_AA raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($13, 2 players)
Hero checks, Devan_AA bets $10, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($33, 2 players)
Hero checks, Devan_AA bets $26, Hero calls $26

River: ($85, 2 players)
Hero checks, Devan_AA bets $63, Hero raises to $158

Final Pot: $306

have I been running so bad for so long that I wasn't even remotely surprised when he shows QQQQ ?

[bspahn]

opp 40/18/1.4 (steal 40%)
do you think this line is OK?
if we hit big on the river ie flush or JJJ do you lead or CR? being that opp is fishy I think leading river when we hit is best?

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG -anomaly- ($194.00)
UTG+1 El_Maco ($200.00)
CO McMurphy10 ($200.00)
BTN yes77 ($166.00)
SB melv_p ($481.20)
BB Hero ($203.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BB
3 folds, yes77 raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero calls $5

Flop: ($15, 2 players)
Hero checks, yes77 bets $15, Hero calls $15

Turn: ($45, 2 players)
Hero checks, yes77 bets $45, Hero calls $45

River: ($135, 2 players)
Hero checks, yes77 checks

Final Pot: $135

[bspahn]

villain (UTG) 20/15/2.2 (ep 15% raise)
with 4bet range 1.2%

I'm certain I'm well ahead of the $49 fish here, I figured if I flat here it REALLY looks like I have a huge hand like KK/AA which is why I didn't reraise, if I just shove he's going to snap QQ/KK/AA right, how would you play this? should I call his shove because if HE had a monster wouldn't he just flat as well to keep me in?

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Bapttouli ($486.62)
UTG+1 toaster ($200.25)
CO djbart1300 ($49.10)
BTN Enziane ($87.20)
SB dobbe11 ($239.55)
BB Hero ($214.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BB
Bapttouli raises to $7, 1 fold, djbart1300 raises to $49.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $47.10, Bapttouli raises to $486.62

Final Pot: $585.82

[bikes]

jfc this is a worst **** thread then SSNL 6m. x.x someone NSFW this so it can improve.

[bigspenda73]

jfc this is a worst **** thread then SSNL 6m. x.x someone NSFW this so it can improve.

this, wtf I feel like ppl have never been in a [censored] thread before

1. Post sick-ass bluffs, beats, and thin value bets
2. Post pictures of hot chicks who are about to do something dirty
3. REPEAT

If you have some basic question that's fine but every page shouldn't have 20 HH's asking about semi-standard spots.

[bspahn]

villain: 25/21/2.3 (river bet freq 20%)

agree this is a CLEAR fold (has to be wheel/boat ?)

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Belagiomio ($231.20)
CO friga ($115.15)
BTN big-shoot ($242.30)
SB couillonade ($194.00)
BB Hero ($215.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is BB
2 folds, big-shoot raises to $5, couillonade calls $4, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($15, 3 players)
couillonade checks, Hero checks, big-shoot checks

Turn: ($15, 3 players)
couillonade bets $12, Hero calls $12, big-shoot folds

River: ($39, 2 players)
couillonade checks, Hero bets $22, couillonade raises to $88

Final Pot: $149

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

opp 40/18/1.4 (steal 40%)
do you think this line is OK?
if we hit big on the river ie flush or JJJ do you lead or CR? being that opp is fishy I think leading river when we hit is best?

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG -anomaly- ($194.00)
UTG+1 El_Maco ($200.00)
CO McMurphy10 ($200.00)
BTN yes77 ($166.00)
SB melv_p ($481.20)
BB Hero ($203.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BB
3 folds, yes77 raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero calls $5

Flop: ($15, 2 players)
Hero checks, yes77 bets $15, Hero calls $15

Turn: ($45, 2 players)
Hero checks

lead turn for 35. i'd do this versus straightforward or passive players.

[bjsaust]

I thought the whole point of this thread was to post stuff thats probably std and not that deep, but which you'd still like a response of some sort to, even just a checkup that its really std.

[bigspenda73]

that's what the shnl forum is for

[bikes]

so much facepalming ITT

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

villain: 25/21/2.3 (river bet freq 20%)

agree this is a CLEAR fold (has to be wheel/boat ?)

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Belagiomio ($231.20)
CO friga ($115.15)
BTN big-shoot ($242.30)
SB couillonade ($194.00)
BB Hero ($215.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is BB
2 folds, big-shoot raises to $5, couillonade calls $4, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($15, 3 players)
couillonade checks, Hero checks, big-shoot checks

Turn: ($15, 3 players)
couillonade bets $12, Hero calls $12, big-shoot folds

River: ($39, 2 players)
couillonade checks, Hero bets $22, couillonade raises to $88

Final Pot: $149

the top of your range is A9, your line overall is weak, and his line is non standard. i want to call.

[bspahn]

if he put me on a missed draw, wouldn't he just c/c ? you say my line is weak. i figure i have a good hand here, how am I supposed to make it seem a lot stronger? raising the turn is stupid imo, do I just bet near pot on the river because i'm really only getting paid by a weaker 9 ?

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

also fold turn actually

[Parasurama]

jfc this is a worst **** thread then SSNL 6m. x.x someone NSFW this so it can improve.

this, wtf I feel like ppl have never been in a [censored] thread before

1. Post sick-ass bluffs, beats, and thin value bets
2. Post pictures of hot chicks who are about to do something dirty
3. REPEAT

If you have some basic question that's fine but every page shouldn't have 20 HH's asking about semi-standard spots.

How about the old mississippi bluff?

PokerStars Game #30622128164: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2009/07/18 23:08:37 PT [2009/07/19 2:08:37 ET]
Table 'Rarahu IV' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Parasurama ($65.30 in chips)
Seat 2: Chaserboy ($113.25 in chips)
Seat 3: clumsychris ($156.20 in chips)
Seat 4: TA916 ($50 in chips)
Seat 5: SeeGars ($100.05 in chips)
Seat 6: leeboy79 ($221.25 in chips)
Chaserboy: posts small blind $0.25
clumsychris: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Parasurama [Js Kd]
SeeGars said, "NH"
leeboy79 said, "sweet"
TA916: folds
SeeGars: folds
Parasurama said, "nice"
leeboy79: calls $0.50
Parasurama: raises $1.50 to $2
leeboy79 said, "u had me bworred"
Chaserboy: calls $1.75
clumsychris: folds
leeboy79: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [Ah 3s Tc]
leeboy79 said, "i call"
Chaserboy: checks
leeboy79: bets $1.50
Parasurama: calls $1.50
leeboy79 said, "ty"
Chaserboy: folds
*** TURN *** [Ah 3s Tc] [4s]
leeboy79 said, "par"
leeboy79: bets $4.50
Parasurama: calls $4.50
*** RIVER *** [Ah 3s Tc 4s] [Th]
leeboy79: bets $18
Parasurama: raises $39.30 to $57.30 and is all-in
leeboy79: folds
Uncalled bet ($39.30) returned to Parasurama
Parasurama collected $51.85 from pot
Parasurama: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $54.50 | Rake $2.65
Board [Ah 3s Tc 4s Th]
Seat 1: Parasurama (button) collected ($51.85)
Seat 2: Chaserboy (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: clumsychris (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: TA916 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: SeeGars folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: leeboy79 folded on the River

[bspahn]

whats your reasoning for folding turn when i have Q9 ?

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

if he put me on a missed draw, wouldn't he just c/c ? you say my line is weak. i figure i have a good hand here, how am I supposed to make it seem a lot stronger? raising the turn is stupid imo, do I just bet near pot on the river because i'm really only getting paid by a weaker 9 ?

when i said ur line was weak i meant that you havent played your hand in a way that would suggest you have a strong hand.

as for the betsizing, i think a large river bet is as likely to get called by 66/88 as a smaller one given the board texture and your flop/turn line.

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

whats your reasoning for folding turn when i have Q9 ?

his turn bet looks strong, it does not look like he is putting out a bet to see whether it gets called or raised. because of that i'm not calling a river bet, and we only have a Q/9 as potential outs if we are WA/WB which i think we are most of the time. his bluff freq is going to be low in this spot so id fold.

[bspahn]

i guess i have this issue with figuring that if my hand is stronger than opponents I want to make it cheap for them to call so i end up making a shitton of these 1/3 to 1/2 pot sized bets but I guess thinking players see that as strength rather than weakness a lot?

you said I could easily fold turn here with Q9 as well, is that because you figure he often has 2pr+ here ?

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

i guess i have this issue with figuring that if my hand is stronger than opponents I want to make it cheap for them to call so i end up making a shitton of these 1/3 to 1/2 pot sized bets but I guess thinking players see that as strength rather than weakness a lot?

you said I could easily fold turn here with Q9 as well, is that because you figure he often has 2pr+ here ?

the most useful piece of bet sizing psychology i know is that weak and average players will play more straightforward and passive when you make large bets. when i have a medium strength hand (per ABCD theorem, Q9 is a "B" strength hand on this river), getting my opponent to play in this way is highly desirable.

22/33/55/A4/A9/K9 seems like a reasonable range for SB, i just don't see him value betting the turn like this with worse.