SHNL **** Thread {nsfw by request}

IOPQ wanna prop bet that over the next 100 days you won't avg more than 2.5 posts per day?

what's your angle
you want to bet that I can't get 250 posts in 100 days? THIS IS MADNESS

[bigspenda73]

second stipulation, if in any 24 hour period you post more than 5 times you also lose the bet.

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Does this include commune posts? I want action if so =)

second stipulation, if in any 24 hour period you post more than 5 times you also lose the bet.

that's a wicked stipulation since I'm probably averaging 10 a day? idk I haven't checked

bbickes: I post in the commune like once a month so it doesn't matter

this is probably standard, but it didn't feel like it when I made the call

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($100)
SB ($100)
Hero (BB) ($185.75)
UTG ($118.10)
MP ($83.25)
CO ($250.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 7
4 folds, SB bets $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6) 9, 10, 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($6) Q (2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls $4

River: ($14) 10 (2 players)
SB bets $12, Hero calls $12

Total pot: $38 | Rake: $1.90

Results:
SB had A, J (one pair, tens).
Hero had 9, 7 (two pair, tens and nines).
Outcome: Hero won $36.10

[zook]

why can i only see his 8d?

you're running firefox with adblock and the ace of diamonds image includes the letters "Ad" and is therefore blocked

clueless as if this is a lvl or not

not a level, I had this problem for awhile

[Fnord]

bjsaust, stacking off in that spot is very very standard.

Give him room to bluff it off with his air please.

[bspahn]

this is probably standard, but it didn't feel like it when I made the call

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($100)
SB ($100)
Hero (BB) ($185.75)
UTG ($118.10)
MP ($83.25)
CO ($250.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 7
4 folds, SB bets $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6) 9, 10, 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($6) Q (2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls $4

River: ($14) 10 (2 players)
SB bets $12, Hero calls $12

Total pot: $38 | Rake: $1.90

Results:
SB had A, J (one pair, tens).
Hero had 9, 7 (two pair, tens and nines).
Outcome: Hero won $36.10

i suppose it didnt feel standard because it's a total hero call right?
i 3bet this pre since i'm IP. as played if he gives up Txx flops to a bet you might as well bet with air AND made hands like you have.

[Hawk]

why can i only see his 8d?

you're running firefox with adblock and the ace of diamonds image includes the letters "Ad" and is therefore blocked

clueless as if this is a lvl or not

no level, this was exactly it. When I disabled adblock if appeared just fine. But, I really hate most internet adds and will just keep in mind that when I only see one card, the other is the Ad.

thx zook

bspahn: well I guess what I'm trying to say it's a totally standard hero call because he usually has ace high or exactly AQ when he plays this way?
I checked behind because I would categorize this as a "B" range hand
I'd bet a T and a deuce

the reason I'd bet a deuce is because I wouldn't feel as comfortable making a hero call with a deuce here because if the board came low, he would vbet a 9
but I guess if I played A2s this way on the flop, I'd still consider calling down because the turn was a queen and he probably wouldn't vbet a 9 and just show it down

[zook]

no level, this was exactly it. When I disabled adblock if appeared just fine. But, I really hate most internet adds and will just keep in mind that when I only see one card, the other is the Ad.

You can also add an exception rule for the Ad and you'll be able to see it without disabling adblock.

[bjsaust]

bjsaust, stacking off in that spot is very very standard.

Give him room to bluff it off with his air please.

Its a relatively wet flop. I usually raise good hands here because a lot of cards either scare me or him, plus if he has something people love to put you on draws. You'd recommend just flatting though?

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weeeeeeeeeeeeeee

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) -

SB ($392.80)
Hero (BB) ($267.50)
UTG ($133.80)
MP ($200)
CO ($245.50)
Button ($381.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, J
2 folds, CO bets $8, 2 folds, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($17) 7, Q, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $12, CO raises to $36, Hero calls $24

Turn: ($89) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $46, CO calls $46

River: ($181) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $155.50 (All-In), Hero calls $155.50

Total pot: $492 | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero had Q, J (one pair, Queens).
CO had 8, 8 (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero won $489

And since there are not hot chicks on this page.

[speedcake]

I dun see the hot checks

[AnTman_69]

This is pretty much the same as Bbickes HH.

I'm such a station. This was HU against a friend.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN dryath ($50.00)
BB Hero ($52.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Hero is BB
dryath raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, dryath raises to $8, Hero calls $5.50

Turn: ($19, 2 players)
Hero bets $13, dryath calls $13

River: ($45, 2 players)
Hero checks, dryath goes all-in $27.50, Hero calls $27.50

Final Pot: $100
dryath shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $99.50 ( won +$49.50 )
dryath lost -$50

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This is pretty much the same as Bbickes HH.

I'm such a station. This was HU against a friend.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN dryath ($50.00)
BB Hero ($52.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Hero is BB
dryath raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, dryath raises to $8, Hero calls $5.50

Turn: ($19, 2 players)
Hero bets $13, dryath calls $13

River: ($45, 2 players)
Hero checks, dryath goes all-in $27.50, Hero calls $27.50

Final Pot: $100
dryath shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $99.50 ( won +$49.50 )
dryath lost -$50

sexyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[IowaSkinsFan]

this is probably standard, but it didn't feel like it when I made the call

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($100)
SB ($100)
Hero (BB) ($185.75)
UTG ($118.10)
MP ($83.25)
CO ($250.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 7
4 folds, SB bets $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6) 9, 10, 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($6) Q (2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls $4

River: ($14) 10 (2 players)
SB bets $12, Hero calls $12

Total pot: $38 | Rake: $1.90

Results:
SB had A, J (one pair, tens).
Hero had 9, 7 (two pair, tens and nines).
Outcome: Hero won $36.10

Even though you won id bet this is a -EV call long run.

idk, he's really only repping a queen and I thought his range for playing this way would be AJ-AK so AJ/AK = 32 combos, AQ = 12 combos

I think he doesn't check a T or JJ+ to me because the board is wet
and I think a flush draw is a standard cbet
on the turn the only hand that would vbet would be AQ because he wouldn't check KQ to me since he's going to cbet that part of his range on the flop
but a lot of one heart hands will semi-bluff especially if he has the king or ace of hearts (but he ended up only having the jack of hearts)
when the river comes he really can only have a queen for betting here and since any kind of QJ/KQ/QT hand bets the flop, I can only put him on AQ
I guess Q9 too, but I'm not sure he opens Q9o since I'm pretty aggressively 3bing bvb

[Renton]

AJ/AK(%bluff) != 32 combos

I just need to be good slightly less than 1/3 of the time, so he has to bluff his AJ/AK combos less than 20% of the time

if he bets the turn with one heart like this every time, that's 6 combos of AJ and 6 combos of AK
he'd have to bluff less than half of the time for me to lose money calling here

so obviously against regs that don't bluff the river a lot this is going to be EV-

I actually had a note on him that he checked AT back on the flop, called turn and called river beating my king high on like a 9 high board for a total hero call
Maybe I just wanted to get him back? LOL

[ATOTHEC101]

bjsaust, stacking off in that spot is very very standard.

Give him room to bluff it off with his air please.

I disagree with this statement in in a number of ways but am currently on a crappy hostel computer with a que of people so I'll respond later.

[nutsinho]

someone should post a winning hand where they actually did something brilliant instead of playing like a complete monkey and getting really lucky? i just read through a lot and the only hand that didnt make me cringe was alexos owning the 10/20 fishy with 44.

someone should post a winning hand where they actually did something brilliant instead of playing like a complete monkey and getting really lucky? i just read through a lot and the only hand that didnt make me cringe was alexos owning the 10/20 fishy with 44.

umm most of us are not capable of anything that you'd call brilliant
if we were we'd be playing higher

[nutsinho]

i think more owns happen at lower stakes than at higher. thats because at higher stakes we usually have to respect our opponents ability to play in a reasonable manner even if they spew a lot in certain spots. the way to own people though is basically to hand read a lot better than than them. it isnt reallly an own when you take a silly incongruent line with garbage relative to what your opponent is representing, and then decide you are potstuck into calling off your stack because they might be semibluffing sometimes.

[AnTman_69]

Its exactly what i was trying to show. My spazzy unbalanced lines and spewy monkey plays that get lucky sometimes. I wasn't saying..."check this out, im a leet hand reader that owned this guy hard." Brilliance isn't my thing nuts.

[Galapogos]

Some reg at my site has the name Marshalzinho.

Thought it was kinda funny.

[Alexos]

August's gonna be great

settled down in my new apartment, going on vacation in 5 days (well deserved imo, playing poker is a tough job), also gonna make a shitload of dough this month in not too many hands

[kmind]

Shit son no more living with the parents? Where's the vacation at?

this guy is like a TERRIBAD reg, not sure what my notes on him are (I already closed FTP), but he like spewed in some spots
I c/red the flop like three times when he did his gay minraise, cbet flop the first two times being as a bluff and the last time I could just tell by his timing (he thought for a while before folding) that he's going to play back at me

so when I hit a pair on the flop I'm like he's just going to fucking spew and shit if I check raise him AGAIN
given that I think turn might actually be a c/c
but holy shit I'm not folding to a raise because I have bd flush draw + and he could be spewing again

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($216.70)
UTG ($101.50)
MP ($208.65)
CO ($38.50)
Button ($247.65)
SB ($100)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, 8
3 folds, Button bets $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($4.50) 3, 3, 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2, Hero raises to $6, Button calls $4

Turn: ($16.50) K (2 players)
Hero bets $11, Button raises to $33, Hero calls $22

River: ($82.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Total pot: $82.50 | Rake: $3

Results:
Button had 10, Q (one pair, threes).
Hero had 4, 8 (two pair, fours and threes).
Outcome: Hero won $79.50

question on general professional ethics:
I was chillin at a table with a hudge maniacfish and I took about 2 stacks from him so far because I had the jesus seat
then I left all my other tables because my session was over, but I was just keeping that table open
is it ok to sit out after he does? well like it was his BB and when he didn't post I didn't post either
and it's not like the entire table sat out, the guy after me posted

discuss

[Alexos]

its called bumhunting, and if you're fine with it then its fine.

[Parasurama]

soulown or lol standard?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($218.40)
UTG ($106.70)
MP ($285.40)
Hero (CO) ($104.60)
Button ($120.15)
SB ($421.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q
1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero bets $5, 1 fold, SB calls $4.50, BB raises to $16, 1 fold, Hero raises to $37, 1 fold, BB calls $21

Flop: ($80) J, 2, J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $25, BB raises to $181.40 (All-In), Hero calls $42.60 (All-In)

Turn: ($215.20) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($215.20) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $215.20 | Rake: $3

Results:
BB had 5, 6 (two pair, Jacks and sixes).
Hero had A, Q (two pair, Queens and Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $212.20

[Parasurama]

also: totally fine or do i suck at life?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($159.15)
CO ($223.90)
Button ($153.25)
SB ($100.50)
Hero (BB) ($100)
UTG ($100)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 7
3 folds, Button bets $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) 6, 7, K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($6.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.50, Button raises to $14.50, Hero calls $10

River: ($35.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $21, Hero raises to $55, Button raises to $135.75 (All-In), Hero calls $27.50 (All-In)

Total pot: $200.50 | Rake: $3

hand 1: you mean standard flop check? or standard call pre? I see no fucking reason to 4b $37 instead of 4b shoving or flatting
hand 2: I would 3b turn

[Parasurama]

Hand 1: should have included info about villain but I knew was going to call my 4b with whatever low suited connector he had and (probably) fold to a shove.

Hand 2: yeah maybe I just had a lot of trouble with what he wouldn't cb and would now raise the turn, the only thing I could come up with was 55 so I planned to c/r the river. Had 89o ldo and owned me with his increidbly deceptive flop check

you didn't have to tell me he had 98, I already knew when you posted the hh
if he had 55 you'd be laughing all the way to the bank

[kmind]

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Full Tilt
Hero ($59.20)
BB ($24.40)
UTG ($60.90)
UTG+1 ($52.50)
CO ($30.60)
BTN ($98.50)

Dealt to Hero K K

UTG raises to $1.75, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $6, fold, UTG calls $4.25

FLOP ($12.50) 5 J 4

Hero bets $7, UTG calls $7

TURN ($26.50) 5 J 4 3

Hero checks, UTG bets $47.90 (AI), Hero folds

UTG wins $25.20

wtf standard? Villain is a reg fold to 3bet%: 67%

[AnTman_69]

I think u induced a spaz bluff from UTG. Prolly has a hand like AK with the As. I call pretty quick.

more likely AsQx because he may or may not felt AK

[Galapogos]

I think u induced a spaz bluff from UTG. Prolly has a hand like AK with the As. I call pretty quick.

You really think he floats an OOP 3bet of his UTG open with A high?

I honestly have no clue what he plays like this. No hand he has here should be played like this.

I think u induced a spaz bluff from UTG. Prolly has a hand like AK with the As. I call pretty quick.

You really think he floats an OOP 3bet of his UTG open with A high?

I honestly have no clue what he plays like this. No hand he has here should be played like this.

I don't understand why he wouldn't play AsQh this way, AQo is a standard call pre against an aggressive reg (it depends if he 3bs light vs. utg I guess), he floats with 6 outs and a backdoor

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[AnTman_69]

haha

[bikes]

whos still in the FTOPS 8?

[ATOTHEC101]

I am, just about.

[ATOTHEC101]

And I'm out lol, co shoves 109 off into my bb aa, he rivers king high straight.


Few hands later, mp raise, I call with aj spades, flop comes q10x two spades, we get it in, kings hold, that was for 50k chips, I'm also down 1650 in cash games today, MEH.

[meeloche]

So I almost have 1500 posts. I was thinking for my 1500 I'd write a short strat article. Any requests are welcome. Or I could always just post some hotties in this thread. Let me know.

write about when to turn your hand into a bluff
obviously when you think your fold equity is better than your showdown equity but it's hard to determine when that is the case

[minSim]

So I almost have 1500 posts. I was thinking for my 1500 I'd write a short strat article. Any requests are welcome. Or I could always just post some hotties in this thread. Let me know.

Something about elastic and inelastic ranges would be nice.

Not sure if you've heard of the names/definitions before, I have them from improva's book (the poker puzzle). It more or less means elastic ranges are ranges that are related by the size of the bet and inelastic range are not. (i.e. the ranges we get called by)

It's not black and white in that any range is either elastic or inelastic, but it's usualy more or less elastic. In theory ranges should be very elastic, but in practice they aren't.
It also changes when stakes go up, but generally certain board textures come with a certain degree of (in)elastic ranges.

The elasticity of a range has great impact on our valuebetting and bluffing ranges and betsizing.

Imo it's and interesting subject, something not often talked/written about in a direct way.

when we talk about "bet pot he'll call anyway" we're talking about inelasticity of his calling range (a lot of villains will call any bet up to pot in certain situations)
when we talk about the "head explosion" river bets we're talking about how we can size our value bets smaller when we expect that villain almost never has better so we're betting 1/4 pot to get called by third pair or ace high

so we talk about it implicitly, but not explicitly