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Old 08-13-2009, 09:48 AM #201 (permalink)  
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when we talk about "bet pot he'll call anyway" we're talking about inelasticity of his calling range (a lot of villains will call any bet up to pot in certain situations)
when we talk about the "head explosion" river bets we're talking about how we can size our value bets smaller when we expect that villain almost never has better so we're betting 1/4 pot to get called by third pair or ace high

so we talk about it implicitly, but not explicitly
I definately agree with all of this.
I would verymuch like a strategy article about talking explicitly about it though. There's a lot to be said that touches the subject, and it's another way to approach poker strategy.

I.e. What board textures generally make elastic or inelastic ranges?
What flop-turn-river lines with different part of our range should we be taking against very elastic or very inelastic ranges?
What's the influence of scare cards?
Betsizing?
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Old 08-14-2009, 07:15 PM #202 (permalink)  
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Just some hand for comments;
Villain 22/14/4.4 over 229 hands, no reads.
1- fold ?
2- call, fold any river ?
3- call, call non heart river?
4- call, call any river ?
5- shove ?

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SB ($44.05)
BB ($63.30)
UTG ($58.20)
MP ($67.25)
Hero (CO) ($50)
Button ($119.35)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, J
1 fold, MP bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($3.75) 9, 4, 4 (2 players)
MP bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.75) 5 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $6, MP raises to $17
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:32 PM #204 (permalink)  
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So I almost have 1500 posts. I was thinking for my 1500 I'd write a short strat article. Any requests are welcome. Or I could always just post some hotties in this thread. Let me know.
Something about elastic and inelastic ranges would be nice.

Not sure if you've heard of the names/definitions before, I have them from improva's book (the poker puzzle). It more or less means elastic ranges are ranges that are related by the size of the bet and inelastic range are not. (i.e. the ranges we get called by)

It's not black and white in that any range is either elastic or inelastic, but it's usualy more or less elastic. In theory ranges should be very elastic, but in practice they aren't.
It also changes when stakes go up, but generally certain board textures come with a certain degree of (in)elastic ranges.

The elasticity of a range has great impact on our valuebetting and bluffing ranges and betsizing.

Imo it's and interesting subject, something not often talked/written about in a direct way.
aejones wrote a pretty good article on exactly that subject in the leggo forum. So I decided against trying to do it better or copy paste what he wrote. One thing to keep in mind when you're deciding your betsize is how strong villains range is and you can adjust accordingly.

I wrote something on c/r the river instead.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:35 PM #205 (permalink)  
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Here's a cool hand from today:

No-Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($633.15)
SB ($141)
BB ($600)
UTG ($283.40)
MP ($866.30)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, 10
1 fold, MP bets $18, Hero calls $18, 1 fold, BB raises $78, 1 fold, Hero raises $615.15 (All-In), BB calls $516 (All-In)

Flop: ($1221) 10, J, 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($1221) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($1221) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $1221

Results:
Hero had 10, 10 (full house, tens over fours).
BB had Q, 7 (one pair, fours).
Outcome: Hero won $1252.15
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he knew you had 22-66 because you flatted pre! (and he has blockers for 77 ldo)
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Old 08-15-2009, 12:18 AM #207 (permalink)  
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LOL I was waiting for a hand like this to post in this thread....

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UTG ($107.50)
MP ($100)
CO ($116.05)
Button ($124)
SB ($263.60)
Hero (BB) ($268.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
4 folds, SB bets $3, Hero raises to $9, SB raises to $28, Hero raises to $52, SB raises to $263.60 (All-In), Hero calls $211.60

Flop: ($527.20) 2, 2, 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($527.20) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($527.20) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $527.20 | Rake: $3

Results:
SB had 9, 8 (one pair, twos).
Hero had A, K (two pair, Kings and twos).
Outcome: Hero won $524.20

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Old 08-15-2009, 02:13 AM #208 (permalink)  
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sicker that you're playing 100nl on stars, wtf get out of my games
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Old 08-15-2009, 02:24 AM #209 (permalink)  
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That's what happens when you never learn to manage your bankroll. Luckily I've employed Tommy Angelo as my coach and he's teaching me the Way.

Don't worry though, I made 13 buy ins today, so only 22 more and I'll be gone.
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:56 AM #210 (permalink)  
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So I almost have 1500 posts. I was thinking for my 1500 I'd write a short strat article. Any requests are welcome. Or I could always just post some hotties in this thread. Let me know.
Something about elastic and inelastic ranges would be nice.

Not sure if you've heard of the names/definitions before, I have them from improva's book (the poker puzzle). It more or less means elastic ranges are ranges that are related by the size of the bet and inelastic range are not. (i.e. the ranges we get called by)

It's not black and white in that any range is either elastic or inelastic, but it's usualy more or less elastic. In theory ranges should be very elastic, but in practice they aren't.
It also changes when stakes go up, but generally certain board textures come with a certain degree of (in)elastic ranges.

The elasticity of a range has great impact on our valuebetting and bluffing ranges and betsizing.

Imo it's and interesting subject, something not often talked/written about in a direct way.
aejones wrote a pretty good article on exactly that subject in the leggo forum. So I decided against trying to do it better or copy paste what he wrote. One thing to keep in mind when you're deciding your betsize is how strong villains range is and you can adjust accordingly.

I wrote something on c/r the river instead.
I'm not a paying member of Leggo atm, is it in the public forums or the private ones?
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Old 08-18-2009, 01:53 AM #211 (permalink)  
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couple fun ones... fishy's first hand at the table, posts utg:

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saw flop | saw showdown

UTG ($200)
MP ($405.90)
CO ($208.20)
Button ($311.70)
SB ($200)
Hero (BB) ($327.95)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
UTG checks, 4 folds, Hero bets $10, UTG raises to $24, Hero raises to $60, UTG calls $36

Flop: ($121) 8, 6, 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($121) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $98, Hero raises to $255, UTG calls $42 (All-In)

River: ($401) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $401 | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero had A, K (one pair, sixes).
UTG had Q, 5 (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: Hero won $398

Few orbits later after he reloaded and stacked someone:

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saw flop | saw showdown

UTG ($422.60)
MP ($217.40)
CO ($426.60)
Button ($414)
SB ($200)
Hero (BB) ($375.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
UTG bets $6, 4 folds, Hero raises to $24, UTG calls $18

Flop: ($49) 9, 5, J (2 players)
Hero bets $38, UTG raises to $76, Hero calls $38

Turn: ($201) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $220, Hero raises to $275.15 (All-In), UTG calls $55.15

River: ($751.30) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $751.30 | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
UTG had 2, A (high card, Ace).
Outcome: Hero won $748.30
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Old 08-21-2009, 04:35 AM #212 (permalink)  
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So I almost have 1500 posts. I was thinking for my 1500 I'd write a short strat article. Any requests are welcome. Or I could always just post some hotties in this thread. Let me know.
read this and definitely thought you said you were going to write a shortstack article. i was impressed.
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Old 08-21-2009, 08:18 PM #213 (permalink)  
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Poker is fun for everyone:

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saw flop | saw showdown

Button ($600)
Hero (SB) ($658)
BB ($600)
UTG ($809.50)
MP ($1858)
CO ($855.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K
1 fold, MP bets $30, 2 folds, Hero raises $98, 1 fold, MP calls $71

Flop: ($208) 10, 3, J (2 players)
Hero bets $145, MP calls $145

Turn: ($498) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $412 (All-In), MP calls $412

River: ($1322) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $1322

Results:
Hero had A, K (two pair, Kings and tens).
MP had K, 9 (two pair, Kings and tens).
Outcome: Hero won $1319

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saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($447)
Hero (BB) ($1164.45)
UTG ($1209.05)
MP ($725.25)
CO ($2064.20)
Button ($801)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, Q
2 folds, CO bets $30, 2 folds, Hero raises $99, CO calls $75

Flop: ($213) 5, 10, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $116, CO raises $232, Hero calls $116

Turn: ($677) A (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $966, Hero calls $827.45 (All-In)

River: ($2331.90) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $2331.90

Results:
Hero had A, Q (one pair, Aces).
CO had 2, Q (high card, Ace).
Outcome: Hero won $2328.90

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saw flop | saw showdown

UTG ($255)
Hero (MP) ($2137)
CO ($1263.05)
Button ($764.25)
SB ($1137.55)
BB ($873)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, 9
1 fold, Hero bets $18, 2 folds, SB raises $105, 1 fold, Hero raises $237, SB raises $1029.55 (All-In), Hero calls $882.55

Flop: ($2281.10) 2, 5, 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($2281.10) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($2281.10) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $2281.10

Results:
SB had 10, J (two pair, tens and sevens).
Hero had 9, 9 (two pair, nines and sevens).
Outcome: SB won $2278.10

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saw flop | saw showdown

MP ($1248)
Hero (CO) ($1351.15)
Button ($1131.05)
SB ($698.25)
BB ($1160.50)
UTG ($810)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6, 6
2 folds, Hero bets $18, Button raises $66, 1 fold, BB raises $222, Hero raises $1212, 1 fold, BB calls $932.50 (All-In)

Flop: ($2390) Q, 6, 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($2390) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($2390) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $2390

Results:
BB had 4, 4 (one pair, fours).
Hero had 6, 6 (three of a kind, sixes).
Outcome: Hero won $2456.50
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Old 08-21-2009, 08:19 PM #214 (permalink)  
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So I almost have 1500 posts. I was thinking for my 1500 I'd write a short strat article. Any requests are welcome. Or I could always just post some hotties in this thread. Let me know.
read this and definitely thought you said you were going to write a shortstack article. i was impressed.
It would be very short if I did write one. All it would say would be b/c.
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Old 08-21-2009, 08:29 PM #215 (permalink)  
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Whats your plan in hand 2 if you don't spike the A?
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Whats your plan in hand 2 if you don't spike the A?
depending on the card I'm probably calling anyway if he overbet jamed.
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Old 08-21-2009, 09:08 PM #217 (permalink)  
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Whats your plan in hand 2 if you don't spike the A?
depending on the card I'm probably calling anyway if he overbet jamed.
are you crazy? lol oh man variance haha

the 66 hand I don't know.. its spewfest.. but I already told you that.
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Old 08-22-2009, 03:46 AM #218 (permalink)  
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honestly 3 out of those 4 hands meeloche look atrocious.
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That's what happens when you never learn to manage your bankroll. Luckily I've employed Tommy Angelo as my coach and he's teaching me the Way.

Don't worry though, I made 13 buy ins today, so only 22 more and I'll be gone.

Dude I have faith that you'll eventually get it going regularly. You seem to have a lot of the knowledge, just need the mental control. Tommy Angelo is good, I also like a lot of buddhism (Meditation and Dream Yoga) for mental control.
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3 out off 4 hands is excellent.
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500 dollars to the first person that catches me playing a donkament with a buy-in <500 dollars for the rest of the month.

Edit{FPP entries and freerolls don't count if for whatever retarded reason i'm in one}
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lol thats nonsense.... obv freerolls and fpp entries should count for 100000000x
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lol thats nonsense.... obv freerolls and fpp entries should count for 100000000x
haha agreed.

also, thinking about making a run for SNE. need aboooooout 1.1mm more hands this year, haha so itll be interesting. cashed out my non-stars bankrolls and picked up another 30" and going to start the 24 table grind and see how it goes. even if i dont make it, trying to grind a ton will definitely help end the year strong, and if im anywhere close in december ill just suck it up and get it done
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Stacks:
CO ($187.63)
BTN ($346.75)
Hero (SB) ($251.00)
BB ($114.12)

Pre-flop: ($3, 4 players) Hero is SB
CO raises to $5.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $4.75, BB calls $3.75

Flop: ($17.25, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $12.93, Hero calls $12.93, BB folds

Turn: ($43.11, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $32.33, Hero calls $32.33

River: ($107.77, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO goes all-in $136.62, Hero calls $136.62

Final Pot: $381.01
Hero shows:
CO shows:

Hero wins $378.01 ( won +$190.38 )
BB lost -$5.75
CO lost -$187.63
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Thread needs a bump.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($55.82)
UTG+1 ($9.25)
CO ($72.15)
Hero (BTN) ($50)
SB ($18.84)
BB ($10.63)

Pre-Flop: ($1.25, 6 players) Hero is BTN
[UTG+1 posts $0.50]
1 fold, UTG+1 checks, CO raises to $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds

Flop: ($6.25, 2 players)
CO bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: ($19.25, 2 players)
CO bets $19.50, Hero calls $19.50

River: ($58.25, 2 players)
CO bets $43.65, Hero calls $21.50

Final Pot: $123.40
CO shows

Hero shows


CO wins $22.15 ( lost -$50.00 )
Hero wins $98.50 ( won +$48.50 )

UTG+1 lost -$0.50
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Old 09-26-2009, 09:36 PM #232 (permalink)  
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BB ($104.80)
UTG ($9.85)
MP ($66.50)
CO ($54.60)
Hero (Button) ($92.25)
SB ($51.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
1 fold, MP bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50, Hero raises to $6.50, 1 fold, BB raises to $25, 2 folds, Hero literallyy vomits all over his pants as he takes notice of the stack sizes
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Yeah, given the recent history at the table I don't think I could have possibly done anything but shove.

I'm 23/20 over 150 hands played with the same people with a 12% 3bet. I've 4bet/folded once before and folded to a couple 4bets. That was also my second squeeze in like 8 hands.

Villainn seemed like a decent reg, he was like 20/22, seemed to have a good DB frequency, 3betting around 9-10% pre...so it's probably safe to say he was capable of noticing me looking like I was getting out of line. His sizing is just wtf tho.
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well considering he's 200BB deep and OOP his 4b should be technically like $19 or something, but $25 works as well

here's an own, villain is a reg but doesn't know me that well:
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CO ($66.50)
Button ($130.80)
SB ($55.30)
Hero (BB) ($100)
UTG ($101.70)
MP ($100.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, Q
1 fold, MP bets $3.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) 10, Q, 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $4, Hero raises to $12, MP calls $8

Turn: ($31.50) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $24, MP calls $24

River: ($79.50) A (2 players)
Hero bets $60.50 (All-In), MP calls $60.50

Total pot: $200.50 | Rake: $3

Results:
Hero had K, Q (three of a kind, Queens).
MP had A, 10 (two pair, Aces and Queens).
Outcome: Hero won $197.50
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Bet sizing of BB in KK hand makes me not want to fold this at all.
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BB ($104.80)
UTG ($9.85)
MP ($66.50)
CO ($54.60)
Hero (Button) ($92.25)
SB ($51.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
1 fold, MP bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50, Hero raises to $6.50, 1 fold, BB raises to $25, 2 folds, Hero literallyy vomits all over his pants as he takes notice of the stack sizes
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($104.80)
UTG ($9.85)
MP ($66.50)
CO ($54.60)
Hero (Button) ($92.25)
SB ($51.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
1 fold, MP bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50, Hero raises to $6.50, 1 fold, BB raises to $25, 2 folds, Hero literallyy vomits all over his pants as he takes notice of the stack sizes
Is that a good vomit?
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haha nice

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$600.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, October 09, 12:19:55 ET 2009
Table Imperatrix III (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 2: xbangbang07x ( $877.00 USD )
Seat 4: meeloche ( $1550.05 USD )
Seat 5: goodvibe1 ( $600.00 USD )
Seat 6: Turko_man ( $1756.10 USD )
xbangbang07x posts small blind [$3.00 USD].
meeloche posts big blind [$6.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to meeloche [ Ah Ac ]
goodvibe1 folds
Turko_man raises [$18.00 USD]
xbangbang07x folds
meeloche raises [$54.00 USD]
Turko_man raises [$126.00 USD]
meeloche raises [$253.00 USD]
Turko_man raises [$684.00 USD]
meeloche raises [$1237.05 USD]
Turko_man calls [$722.05 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, Jc, 7s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
meeloche shows [Ah, Ac ]
Turko_man shows [Kd, Kh ]
Turko_man wins $3101.10 USD from main pot
 
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jesus christ this is the stupidest thing ive ever seen

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to wufwugy [As Qc]
Baconok: folds
Jetlee007: raises $2.50 to $3.50
IsKQA23aStr8: folds
fourboys1: folds
alvaro_20: folds
Ronfar3: folds
wufwugy: raises $8 to $11.50
wazawskiHH: folds
Jetlee007: calls $8
*** FLOP *** [9s 3d Kh]
wazawskiHH leaves the table
wufwugy: bets $15
Rightful One joins the table at seat #3
Jetlee007: raises $26 to $41
wufwugy: raises $53.85 to $94.85 and is all-in
Jetlee007: calls $52.30 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1.55) returned to wufwugy
AcaD55 joins the table at seat #6
*** TURN *** [9s 3d Kh] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [9s 3d Kh 8h] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wufwugy: shows [As Qc] (a pair of Queens)
Jetlee007: shows [Ah Qs] (a pair of Queens)
wufwugy collected $103.80 from pot
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ok heres a dumb pointless question:

What is the general consensus on a fish who wins a fairly large sized pot (<40bb) from you by making a big bet and you fold then leaves immediately the hand after. Did he have it or just run a big bluff get scared and leave?
 
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Figured I'd bump this bad boy rather than start a new thread.

Did some video get released recently or have things changed so much the last little while where it has been determined that 3betting really small is a great strategy?

I've started getting my feet wet lately and I can't believe how many 8bb 3bets I'm seeing coming from the blinds vs a 3bb open. Nearly every single reg is doing this and I'm wondering where the hell that came form? This is at Ongame btw.

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Not that I know of.

It must be a Micro Stakes thing because basically no one does that at 100-200nl
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lots of 600nl+ ongame laggs do this, like 5-8BB 3bets but IP mainly. I don't think they're very good fwiw. Doing small 3bets OOP seems terrible to me vs anyone decent.
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Not that I know of.

It must be a Micro Stakes thing because basically no one does that at 100-200nl
Haha fuck you, this sounds like a shot at me for being in the micros. As soon as I finish my mandatory 50NL boot camp and get my game figured out again I'm gunning for you Jonny boy.


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lots of 600nl+ ongame laggs do this, like 5-8BB 3bets but IP mainly. I don't think they're very good fwiw. Doing small 3bets OOP seems terrible to me vs anyone decent.
Hmm, it must have trickled down from there and then get applied totally incorrectly (or I should say more incorrectly because I agree with you that it doesn't seem like a great strategy) by the monkey see monkey do crowd. Just thought it was odd that every single player does it.


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Haha fuck you, this sounds like a shot at me for being in the micros. As soon as I finish my mandatory 50NL boot camp and get my game figured out again I'm gunning for you Jonny boy.
LOL

Definitely was not a shot at you, but as I was posting that I knew there was a good chance that you would interpret it as that.

I do notice a lot more dumb stuff like this going on at 100nl than at 200nl, and the few regs that do this are usually scared 50nl/100nl regs taking a shot at 100/200nl. The type of guys that don't understand position and just raise the same hands from all positions and use the same raise size.
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