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Rockymv
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08-03-2006, 09:59 PM
Post subject: set vs. tag
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Full House
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Villian is 19/13.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($92.50)
SB ($21.48)
BB ($191)
UTG ($64.24)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 2 , 2 . SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, BB checks.
Flop: ($3.50) 5, 2 , 6 (3 players)
BB bets $3, UTG folds, Hero raises to $12, BB calls $187 (All-In), Hero?????????????
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Renton
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I can fold here.
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Rockymv
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Full House
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guess it depends on how likely two pair is...
109,890 games 0.031 secs 3,544,838 games/sec
Board: 2h 5d 6c
Dead:
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 50.3708 % 49.72% 00.65% { 22 }
Hand 2: 49.6292 % 48.98% 00.65% { 66-55, 65s, 62s, 52s, 43s, 65o, 62o, 52o, 43o }
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Fnord
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Raise pre-flop and it's not even close.
Post-flop it comes down to what you think of the BB and how much gamble you have in you right now.
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Renton
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i don't mind the preflop call (as opposed to raise)
I probably would have raised it, but if i suspected a l/rr I would def. just call.
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IowaSkinsFan
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uhhhhh.....
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andy-akb
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4-of-a-Kind
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You have to raise this preflop.
Anyways, I dont know if I could get away from it during my session, but Id feel like an idiot when he flips 43o. Anyways, if you think there is a good chance this is two pair then Id call, but otherwise I dont think I could. We really have no idea what he could have here.
Also man, change tables. You are playing $100nl 4handed where only one player [not even yourself] has atleast 100bbs and he is TAGG and the others are incredibly shortstacked.
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Fnord
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I like tables with 50-75 deep terrible players. Then again, I match-up well against them.
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Warpe
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I fold for metagame and mental health purposes.
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Werddown
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Raise pre-flop and it's not even close.
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what do you mean by this?
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r8ed
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Werddown
Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Raise pre-flop and it's not even close.
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what do you mean by this? |
He means if you raise and get a caller, then a straight or two pair are very unlikely. But since everyone limped their range is infinity.
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Fnord
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19/13 seems like a reasonably sane sort.
By raising you:
o Put pressure on the other players to hit hands
o Widen your raising range
o Get free/cheap/freeroll turns and rivers
o Build up a pot, making it much easier to get in stacks when you hit. Pocket pairs are big pot hands and big pots are best started on cheap streets.
o Force the other players to define their hands.
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theDEEPdish
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I wouldn't regret a fold here, and i wouldn't regret a call
really comes down to what you know about him
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aislephive
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Please call here, he probably has two pair. He might have 34 or a set, and this is why you raise preflop to narrow his range.
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Renton
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BTW I said "I can fold here" meaning that I could seriously think about it, and if I knew enough about his play I could consider folding.
The standard play is to call ofc.
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Rockymv
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Normally this would be an easy raise pf for me, but the table was falling apart and I was just donking around until the BB got back to me so I could leave (great idea, huh?).
His reraise was a huge overbet, so I figured a weak two pair trying to protect itself on a drawy board. His flop aggression factor was pretty big (though this can be deceptive), so I made the call.
Another question: If his reraise had been smaller, should I be more or less likely to fold? i. e. does a larger bet usually signify crappy two pair as it suffers from more reverse implied odds and a tag is likely to know this?
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