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euphoricism

02-18-2007, 07:09 AM Post subject: Set very deep against moroniac.

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Most of you are aware I'm attempting a 24 hour stretch. I'm 15 hours in, and this is the first hand I really wasnt confident about...

Villain is a 47/20/4 over 520 hands. He spews, spews, spews if you just let him keep firing. So thats what I did. I figure I'm WA/WB, and I'm really not particularly comfortable playing this deep anyway.

Line ok? His river bet (same size as turn bet) is obvious weak to me so I felt it was a safe card to raise for value. Note this is 25NL and I may be thinking too much.

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $15.65
UTG+1: $19.50
CO: $72.75
Hero: $117.26
SB: $91.30
BB: $17.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 8

3 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB raises to $3.1, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: K

($6.45, 2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls.

Turn: 9

($16.45, 2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero calls.

River: 6

($36.45, 2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $30 ...

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Miffed22001

02-18-2007, 07:13 AM

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id have raised the turn, standard style. Opp probably doesnt fold AK/AA and will show you 88 no good if he has KK.
I guess hes calling river anyway, but id have been trying to get all in here even this deep.

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02-18-2007, 07:22 AM

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Sry man but this is terrible. I dont know about semibluff frequencies at 25nl but you have to raise flop to build pot if nothing else (15-20) sounds about right. Turn is a great card for you as it puts a huge number of draws on the board which may induce villain to stack off with AK or AA..... cause hes checking turn and ur shoving.

This is a dream flop for 88...

1. flop set
2. bet a lot
3. profit

I got more flava than fruitstripe gum

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02-18-2007, 07:29 AM

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It's not terrible with a read. But you do need to raise the turn.

If villain has a huge hand the chips are going in regardless. If villain doesn't have shit let him fire a second barrel on the turn, but you need to start getting value here, especially so deep.

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euphoricism

02-18-2007, 07:48 AM

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What do you do if he reraises turn? You really felting 3rd set ~425bb deep?

I didnt know what to do against a raise, figured if he's behind let him fire and dont stack off to him in the unlikely scenario he's ahead. I didnt think he'd stack off with AA/AK.

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02-18-2007, 07:51 AM

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raise the turn, if he pushes prob fold (tough at 25nl though) otherwise if he reraises you gotta decide if he'll overplay AA/AK (at 25nl how much credit are you giving someone knowing how to play differently if they are 200bbs deep? (unless this game changed a lot recently im not going for much to be honest))
Id find a fold to a push i think, but to a reraise? Prob not, because IMO opp felts AA even 200bbs deep.

euphoricism

02-18-2007, 08:14 AM

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Effective is closer to 400. This is 25nl. Does that matter?

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02-18-2007, 09:05 AM

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raise the flop and/or the turn, you know this

with your read i guess it may be more +EV to raise the turn. Chill out with the WAWB business here, this is bad bad thinking and u have a superstrong hand. Vs this player u could play the 2nd nuts confidently 1000bb deep .

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02-18-2007, 10:38 AM

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You really felting 3rd set ~425bb deep?

You need to play the hand in a manner that you're either getting AI before the river or that a river push is ~ PSB or less. If you're seriously that worried about being beat when you have the 2nd nuts then you need to go back to playing LHE. Effective stacks are $90 so you're not that deep anyways.

You need to be more aware of what kind of hand it appears you have. Calling the flop then raising the turn is always suspect and waiting until the river is even more so. You're giving villian too much of a chance to get away. Assuming you have a sane image, what do you think it looks like when you call, call, then raise river when the flush is completed? Don't give a worse hand the opportunity to lose the least.

I usually raise his flop bet and almost always when this deep. The later in the hand you start to show aggression the more credit he is going to give you. What range do you put him on to 3-bet you PF? If he has a hand like JJ or QQ he going to slow down on the turn if called so if you raise you're going to win the same amount of money anyways. If he has AK you give him the chance to 3-bet you and at the least he is very likely to call. If he has AA he 3-bets you with a higher frequency. Again, even if he calls, you're set up for a 2/3 pot turn bet and a very callable river push.

If he has KK then you just have bad luck. You're going to be losing a ton of value if you're worrying about it though.

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02-18-2007, 11:13 AM

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Raise flop to build a pot.

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What do you do if he reraises turn? You really felting 3rd set ~365bb deep?

I'd call his reraise intending to get the rest in on the river with position. I'd felt 888 here against this guy.

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02-18-2007, 01:52 PM

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You took a TPGK, second pair good kicker line against this opponent when you had a set. That's it in a nutshell.

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