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Warpe
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02-02-2007, 02:58 PM
Post subject: Set of ducks
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Reraising would be dumb here, right?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($109.10)
Button ($10.40)
SB ($13.15)
BB ($30.90)
UTG ($83.80)
Preflop: Hero is MP with 2 , 2 .
UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50.
Flop: ($10) 2 , 9 , 6 (5 players)
SB bets $4, BB folds, UTG raises to $11, Hero ??? (Button & SB still to act)
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griffey24
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Yah, I think I would flat call his raise. Mind you, cold calling that raise still shows a lot of strength on this dry board, so I would be surprised if you had any calls behind anyhow. Flat calling might keep SB in at least.
You have bad relative position to the raiser in this hand, being on his left, so its likely any street you put a raise in, you'll blow everyone else out of the pot anyhow.
I still think calling flop, and pounding UTG's bet on turn sounds like the best line.
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Kagey
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I' ve been in the same situation twice recently and have found that pushing AI seems to represent less strength than a re-raise and gets called an awful lot (if that your intention)
I've been playing for 6 months and this is my first post so apologies for my ignorance.
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seoul_child1
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i would just CALL UTG's raise, to see if u can get him or anyone else to hang themselves, ur never folding this hand so no need to chase any prospects out!... SB is obselete with his huge $9 left, ur trying to lure UTG to make a big turn bet if not; bet the turn accordingly and get it all-in by the river!!! NH
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jyms
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Up against, AQs+, AKo, 33+. You only fear 99 or 66. Call, a reraise may scare him off. If he has AK, AQ you want him to catch something. TTor JJ he's letting this go if an A or K falls. Either way, your not stacking him without some help.
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Normally I would call, but SB+BU have only 15 behind COMBINED, while raiser has 70. I am a little worried about losing QQ/JJ if an ace turns. Very difficult to determine proper raise size. Small fry are already all/in if you call, so logically (???) they should just ignore what you do.
Still some kind of feel for UTGs tendencies would be good, or either of you played previous overpair/monster... I don't really know how much to raise here. m/r looks fishy, and a shove might fold overpairs anyway. I think maybe 25-30 (m/r +)
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Warpe
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Yeah, sorry for not including reads. UTG seemed decent, if that helps, so I don't know if he'd stack off with an overpair or not.
I'm generally a fan of striking while the iron is hot and raising without giving them a street to think, but here I wanted SB to stick the rest in if he's so inclined, so I called and he did.
Just not sure if I'm giving up possibly greater value from UTG by doing that though.
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Setzy
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What's the chance of SB having 78s here? I'd probably arrrr in, pot is already big.
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seoul_child1
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Originally Posted by Setzy
What's the chance of SB having 78s here? I'd probably arrrr in, pot is already big.
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Pot is only $25 Setz...
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Setzy
I'd probably arrrr in, pot is already big.
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UTG still has ~140bb behind which I cover, pot will be ~86bb if I just call and SB calls (assuming Button folds). Think we maybe need an increment in-between if we're going to get UTG all-in.
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Originally Posted by Warpe
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Originally Posted by Setzy
I'd probably arrrr in, pot is already big.
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UTG still has ~140bb behind which I cover, pot will be ~86bb if I just call and SB calls (assuming Button folds). Think we maybe need an increment in-between if we're going to get UTG all-in. |
The deadly 2.5x raise? Is it a strong weak bet, or a weak strong bet? No one knows
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i only dont raise if opp wont realise what my cold call represents.
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it depends how good you think UTG is. The big problem with flat calling is that good players will have alarm bells going off in their heads immediately.
If you push/raise then some good players will have a harder time putting you on a monster as opposed to a semi-vulnerable hand that wants to pick up dead money.
Pretty shitty spot to get paid off though.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Genitruc
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i think i just figured out the line I like though
Flat call then donk-min bet the turn (i.e. 1bb). If he's "good" this will make him do very very strange things.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by Warpe
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Originally Posted by Setzy
I'd probably arrrr in, pot is already big.
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UTG still has ~140bb behind which I cover, pot will be ~86bb if I just call and SB calls (assuming Button folds). Think we maybe need an increment in-between if we're going to get UTG all-in. |
I think if we assume that UTG will fire $25-30 into the $46 pot (assuming SB calls flop) on the turn. Even if we flat call this turn bet. Pot at the river will be around $100 and villain will only have about $40ish left behind. He will be getting about 3.5:1 on his call (with a likely overpair).. we'll probably get him all-in i'd imagine.
Unless he slows down on the turn ofcourse...
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
i think i just figured out the line I like though
Flat call then donk-min bet the turn (i.e. 1bb). If he's "good" this will make him do very very strange things.
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The more I think about it, the more I like this. Or something weaksaucy like checking through...
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Unless he slows down on the turn of course...
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Yeah, unfortunately he did.
SB stuck the rest in, turn was a blank, action went: UTG checks, Hero bets $25, UTG folds.
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Unless he slows down on the turn of course...
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Yeah, unfortunately he did.
SB stuck the rest in, turn was a blank, action went: UTG checks, Hero bets $25, UTG folds.
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What do you put UTG on? Overpair or over-cards? If villain had over-cards, I don't think there is any different way you could have played this to get paid.
The fact that SB was all-in makes this hand even worse for you, since UTG knows you have to show your hand down, so even more likely you have a solid hand when betting.
I think you played it well, and just had bad luck in getting paid off.
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I think UTG had an overpair here.
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completely irrelevant question, but, who are these guys in your avatars!? lol
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completely irrelevant question, but, who are these guys in your avatars!? lol
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griffey24
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completely irrelevant question, but, who are these guys in your avatars!? lol
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lol... I guess I should see this movie 
Too much reading about poker, not enough movies about bowling!
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swiggidy
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Originally Posted by swiggidy
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completely irrelevant question, but, who are these guys in your avatars!? lol
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lol... I guess I should see this movie
Too much reading about poker, not enough movies about bowling! |
It's about so much more than bowling
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when a good player cold calls here it means set or 78, nothing else. what to do depends on how good you think they are. they are probably bad so calling is fine.
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