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  1. #1

    Default a set 3 way

    UTG is super fish running 75/40, pretty stationy and aggressive. He has shown up in a 3 bet pot with 66 and 52o and K7s.
    MP is also fishy running 24/7/1.5 no real reads on him though.

    I checked the flop planning to c/r cause they were both likely to bet their entire range on the flop.
    *please note that we are all 150bb deep or greater...

    Now whats the best line here?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    saw flop|saw showdown

    Hero ($307.40)
    BB ($200)
    UTG ($375.50)
    MP ($303.30)
    CO ($200)
    Button ($265)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 8.
    UTG raises to $4, MP raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $5, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.

    Flop: ($20) 8, A, T (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $18, MP raises to $36, Hero?
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    pops to 100 since we can't call (gives odds for FD) or fold (we have a very strong hand). Insta call shove because I don't ever give people cred for flopped FDs. Even if they flopped one, we have boat outs. If called I try to get it in on a non diamond turn. If it's a diamond, then I c/f and hope it checks through and I fill up on the river.

    On a side note, even though you are sure they bet their entire range, checking this flop scares the shit out of me.
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    Uhhh, I might actually fold.
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    3betting preflop for value is probably better than set mining even though we are OOP due to UTG's very wide calling range.

    i would definitely lead out on the flop, though i would just call a raise due to stack sizes. then bet/fold a non diamond/boat completing turn.

    as played i'd make a small 3bet ($75ish) and fold to a 4bet/push.
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    technically this is a 3 bet pot one of the donks min 3 bet the other's min bet.
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    I think calling is fine here. Hate folding raising is meh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
    3betting preflop for value is probably better than set mining even though we are OOP due to UTG's very wide calling range.

    i would definitely lead out on the flop, though i would just call a raise due to stack sizes. then bet/fold a non diamond/boat completing turn.

    as played i'd make a small 3bet ($75ish) and fold to a 4bet/push.
    i disagree with 3betting pre. 88 does not play well oop in a 3 way, 3 bet pot, imo.
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  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by meeloche
    technically this is a 3 bet pot one of the donks min 3 bet the other's min bet.
    oops i missed that


    which makes this a moot point, but...

    couple reasons why i think a 3bet pre would be better

    - UTG's calling range is way behind our hand (52o lol)
    - UTG is a station and we can easily get 1, sometimes 2 streets of value from our hand. we are going to get a VB much more often than be faced with a board texture we have to c/f on.
    - the pot wouldn't necessarily be a multiway 3bet pot


    dean can you elaborate on why you would coldcall the flop raise, and what your plan would be for the turn?
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    omg someone please stove ranges. ill do it if nobody does later when im home from work
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  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Da GOAT
    omg someone please stove ranges. ill do it if nobody does later when im home from work
    he has about 25% equity vs a range of nut flushes and 10-10/A-A

    edit: added more flushes

    Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

    68,310 games 0.063 secs 1,084,285 games/sec

    Board: Ad Td 8d
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 26.965% 26.37% 00.59% 18015 405.00 { 88 }
    Hand 1: 73.035% 72.44% 00.59% 49485 405.00 { AA, TT, KdQd, KdJd, KdTd, Kd9d, Kd8d, Kd7d, Kd6d, Kd5d, Kd4d, Kd3d, Kd2d, QdJd, QdTd, Qd9d, Qd8d, Qd7d, Qd6d, Qd5d, Qd4d, Qd3d, Qd2d }


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters
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    I think there should be some Top pair and two pair hands in that range, they are donks remember.

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