Originally Posted by aislephive

Lately I've been playing sets and other huge hands fast against people who I put on overpairs, especially on very scary flops where I might lose all my action if a scare card hits the turn. I would have raised this flop for sure before a straight card hit the board and scared him off. I think if you raise that flop that he three bets here 90 percent of the time and you can get it all in on this flop.

Originally Posted by dsaxton

I almost always do this, but I'm working on randomizing my play to prevent easy readability. If you never slow-play strong hands, your opponents can accurately read you as weak when you aren't showing strength, which can translate into a decisive edge for them.

I'm not assuming he's a good player, in fact he probably isn't, but a decent player would put on the breaks here if I raised his bet. When he makes this strong bet into several players, it's an obvious indication of an overpair, and he should be aware that I know this, so when I raise, I'm basically telling him I flopped at least two pair, unless he thinks I'm capable of bluffing in these spots. In a sense, a raise may kill my action just as much as a scary turn card. Here the idea is that I don't want him to know he's behind, instead I want him to make a large, frantic bet trying to protect his hand on this draw-heavy board, one which will completely commit his stack to the hand.

Originally Posted by aislephive

Have you played with this player a lot? I don't really think he has a read on you that you "never" slowplay, so I wouldn't be worried about him thinking that.

Originally Posted by r8ed

He's slowplaying for the rest of the table - not to throw off this guy that just sat down. Mixing it up is good and if you put this guy on an overpair then this may be a good spot. If no other straight makers come out, then overpairs will usually force the action for you. If you reraise him big on the flop or turn I think you may kill your action as he has to suspect a set or straight (may not matter if he's a donk). Unless this guy has you beat, he's foolish.

Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

Dsaxton, would you really chase the idiot-end of the straight in this situation? While you are most likely drawing live, you have to assume you don't have a lot of implied odds if you hit, even if you have a hand like pair + OESD. I like your line if villian has been firing 2nd and 3rd barrells often, but otherwise I think raising the flop would be best, simply because in general a flop raise gets less credibility than a turn or river raise. Unless he's a donk (which he probably was), it's going to be tough to stack him on this board with just an overpair. Mixing up your play is good though, so in that sense I like it.

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Idea was to represent the straight draw against his likely overpair, induce a big turn bet and set up a fake river bluff.

Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

I think raising the flop would be best, simply because in general a flop raise gets less credibility than a turn or river raise.

Originally Posted by pvfox

a call on the flop isn't too bad a line here as there are two players to act after you. one of them may put in a raise with an overpair (TT, JJ etc.) or a straight draw and the original raiser might then put in a re-raise allowing you to push hard with probably the best hand.
i would get more aggressive on the turn as there are now flush draw possibilities. if the third club hits on the river, it may slow your opp. down if you put in a big raise.

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Look at the hand again. I had top set, I wasn't on a draw.

Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

Yeah but you were repping a draw. That was my point. So I guess if you wanted it to look like a bad bluff then it probably was a good play since not a lot of players will call 2 large bets just drawing to the idiot-end of the straight and then going crazy on the river to try to represent it. Honestly I think you just got lucky and ran into a fish.

But now that the table has seen you take this line with a set, I am curious would you ever play a draw by cold-calling the flop and turn, when it's quite obvious you are against an overpair? In other words, what does it mean (other than slowplay) when you cold-call 2 streets?

Originally Posted by gabe

thats a cool idea and everything, but why not just get all the money in on the flop? don't let a scare card come and kill your action.

you lose alot of value by not building pot on the flop.

Originally Posted by dsaxton

It's probably best if you read previous comments before responding. I already talked about this. And the idea that I can "just get all the money in on the flop" is extremely simple-minded. You do realize building a big pot requires cooperation from an opponent, right?