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RonBurgundy
Old 12-04-2008, 02:19 PM     Post subject: semi bluf on turn #1 (permalink)  

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Have no reads or stats on villain. Let's assume a normal player.

I bet out the flop because I have a pretty big draw. I expect him to raise my bet a fair amount of the time, especially when he has an overpair. He does just that and the turn gives us even more outs. I decide to c/r allin because I think we have a lot of fold equity? If he doesn't fold, I still have a shitload of outs anyway. Good play right?

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Button ($120.31)
SB ($173.93)
MP ($112.70)
Hero (BB) ($206.03)
UTG ($113.50)
CO ($100)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 7
1 fold, MP raises $3.50, 2 folds, SB calls $3, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($10.50) 5, 6, 5 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, MP raises $15, 1 fold, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($40.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $29, Hero raises to $187.53 (All-In)
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Old 12-04-2008, 02:22 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 You should 3bet flop.
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Old 12-04-2008, 02:48 PM     Post subject: Re: semi bluf on turn #3 (permalink)  
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Good play right?
Something sounds results oriented here.

It's a good, but high-variance play. You have good fold equity against overpairs or overcards. But you also have to realize that to a decent player, it looks exactly like what it is, a flush-draw semi-bluff. If you actually had 66 here, you might Check/raise, but probably not massively overbet push like you did. You wouldn't be "scared" and try to get him to fold... Many times a smaller raise is scarier than a push.

Jimmy is right though, 3-bet flop to $40 is better than turn C/R.
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Old 12-04-2008, 02:56 PM #4 (permalink)  
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i usually like to have some sort of information about my opponent before im pulling off such a move. either way i dont like peeling preflop, this could be a nice squeeze spot, but overcalling kinda sucks.

as played your line looks weird enough to get looked up a lot. you´re basically repping 56/66 or a draw. 30% equity vs a range of TT+ and NFD when called, so meh. As jimmy said, id much rather b/3b the flop.
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Old 12-04-2008, 03:19 PM #5 (permalink)  
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MP's bet-sizing looks pretty weak here. His flop raise looks weak-ass, if he had a hand he wanted to protect (i.e. an overpair) I think he'd raise more. I'd be surprised if he called and flipped up TT+ here, he's just as likely to have a hand like yours. Unless it's a loltarp of course, but who traps on a board like that vs flatcall from the BB?
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Old 12-04-2008, 03:33 PM #6 (permalink)  

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Ok, this isn't a normal call for me. To play such a hand I would need position. But from his point of view, he opens and one player coldcalls, i'm in the BB and call as well. I could have a few 5s in my range here? It seems very spewy to call the push with any overpair at least...

After thinking it over I agree with you guys I think b/3bet flop is better and looks even stronger. He snapcalled btw and turned over J5o
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Old 12-04-2008, 03:52 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Well then I guess the jokes on us for assuming he's a normal player

FWIW if I'm villain I'm probably raising flop more and checking behind on the turn with a lot of my weaker overpairs, looking to call a river bet on a blank or value betting if checked to. Everything I bet again on the turn I'll call a shove with because it looks so wierd. Whether that makes me a normal player or a donk I don't know
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Old 12-04-2008, 04:06 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Well then I guess the jokes on us for not having a read before pulling this shit
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Did you at least spike the 8

I agree, 3bet flop then shove turned OESFD if you're not already AI.
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Old 12-04-2008, 04:57 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Silly String u slut, I think you just popped my FYP cherry. I feel... dirty
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