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Silly String

10-02-2008, 02:07 PM Post subject: Seems light on HHs in here lately

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Not too interesting, but I thought I'd get some other opinions on this hand since it has been kinda dead on HH's in the SH forum lately.
Villain is 24/17/3 over 40ish hands. No notes or showdowns, playing TAG, 3bet couple times(9%), steals a good bit(43%), cbets and folds to cbet like std TAG.
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No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($100)
SB ($136)
BB ($124)
UTG ($109.50)
MP ($113.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9

, J

2 folds, Hero raises $3, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7) 3

, 4

, 9

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB raises $15, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($37) 8

(2 players)
SB bets $27, Hero calls $27

River: ($91) 6

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $91

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nutsinho

10-02-2008, 02:11 PM

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When I clicked on this I was thinking "There had better be a hand history in this thread"

I think folding the turn should be your play like 85% of the time. Shoving the river as played is good vs. a lot of people.

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dalecooper

10-02-2008, 02:22 PM

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I give him credit and fold that almost-the-worst-turn-ever pretty much always. I agree with nutsinho, as played you should be prepared to bluff the river - your hand is probably good there like one time in six or less. If he doesn't have a club he has something else that beats your one pair.

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10-02-2008, 02:23 PM

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Depending on opponents I fold the flop raise almost always, if I peel and he fires a good sized bet on the turn, I know i am done unless I can beat TPTK.

I don't think most players under $200NL have two streets of bluff in them, unless they are spewy. Most 18/16 - 24/18 types aren't spewy in this way.

As played, I always fire a river bet on a four flush board, even 2/3's here gets paid enough

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Silly String

10-02-2008, 02:23 PM

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Thanks for the input despite the shitty HH post. I'm just bored and can't find any HH's worth discussing so I thought I'd throw some out here.
I guess without history you are not keeping an Aggro jackoff real honest on this board?

Here's another lame-O HH. Villain is typical fish at 50/14/2 over only a few hands. Comments on turn bet size and river block bet appreciated.

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($11)
CO ($106)
Button ($151.35)
SB ($114)
Hero (BB) ($100)
UTG ($25.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, Q

3 folds, Button calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises $3, Button calls $3

Flop: ($8.50) 9

, J

, 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button calls $6

Turn: ($20.50) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $13, Button calls $13

River: ($46.50) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $18, Button calls $18

Total pot: $82.50

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dalecooper

10-02-2008, 02:35 PM

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I check the river always. First he rarely has a hand that he'll call with on the river that you have beat, unless he's beyond retarded (if he is, I take a note based on this hand's showdown and start value-towning him on all subsequent hands). Second, he's probably bad/passive enough to not bluff much. And third, that ace hit him somewhat frequently - I have reoccuring nightmares of A

showdowns in hands like this one, and also Ax because he just felt like calling a bet ("pokah is fun, wheeee!").

If you had AJ, AK, or AQ I don't mind your play. With QJ I just check.

minSim

10-02-2008, 02:39 PM

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Hand 1: I agree on folding turn the majority of time. If turn is like 8

, what's hero's play (and possibly river plan?)

Hand 2: I actually think river is too thin and c/f should be standard against a non-aggressive fish, but who knows, maybe he's a big enough calling station.

Silly String

10-02-2008, 02:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dalecooper

I have reoccuring nightmares of A

showdowns in hands like this one, and also Ax because he just felt like calling a bet ("pokah is fun, wheeee!").

I have the same "monsters under the bed" thoughts during these hands, but do you b/f turn or c/f vs this fish?

Minsim, the river wasn't for value it was a blocking bet. I felt I would c/c up to $18 so I should bet it instead. Poor line of thinking vs a passive fish on this hand probably. I was going to block with less, but I didn't want to induce a bluff raise. I am probably giving this fish too much credit as he'll bluff like never.

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10-02-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Silly String

Minsim, the river wasn't for value it was a blocking bet. I felt I would c/c up to $18 so I should bet it instead. Poor line of thinking vs a passive fish on this hand probably. I was going to block with less, but I didn't want to induce a bluff raise. I am probably giving this fish too much credit as he'll bluff like never.

Exactly, I c/f a lot.

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dalecooper

10-02-2008, 03:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Silly String

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalecooper

I have reoccuring nightmares of A

showdowns in hands like this one, and also Ax because he just felt like calling a bet ("pokah is fun, wheeee!").

I have the same "monsters under the bed" thoughts during these hands, but do you b/f turn or c/f vs this fish?

b/f turn, c/f river. I think on the turn you have no reason yet to think he's got much - but once he calls again he's either really loose, or he's still chasing a frush (in which case you can safely check the river and probably not get bluffed), or he's chasing a frush and now has a pair of aces. It's hard to make ranges for feeesh but that ace helped him more than you once he calls a second bet.

Silly String

10-02-2008, 04:18 PM

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Thank you Dale.

Any comments about bet sizing in hand #2? I feel the turn is by far my worst street and I think bet sizing has a lot to do with that.

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dalecooper

10-02-2008, 04:38 PM

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I'm fine with it under the circumstances. Board is dangerous; opponent is unlikely to smell weakness and bluff; your hand isn't so good that it really needs to be "protected"; you both have at least 100 BBs. The important thing is to shut it down as soon as he shows aggression, because he's very likely not fucking with you - and you'd be turning his minor mistakes earlier in the hand into a major mistake on your part, one that swings the equity back his direction. I think your bet sizing here is sufficient to get value, not give him great drawing odds (with the understanding that you won't do anything stupid if another diamond comes = no implied odds), and also not cost you your ass if he wakes up with something good. Also if he happens to have a weak jack or something, you don't want to run him out of the hand - let him hang around and check it back to you on the river for the delicious, somewhat unexpected win.

Genitruc

10-04-2008, 07:42 AM

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fold turn as played shove river

edit : only read 1st hand

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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10-04-2008, 08:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Genitruc

fold turn as played shove river

this..

as for second I think you can c/f river

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