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Old 04-16-2007, 12:02 AM     Post subject: Sauce VS Gabe HU- Questions #1 (permalink)  
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So we finished the match and were about dead even at the end with rake/Lukie being the only winners. Even so I had a sick time and learned a lot and there were a ton of interesting hands.

Ok, so for everyone who watched and/or datamined the match, post whichever hands you guys want (or hands ppl posted on the other thread) and I'll explain why I did what I did and I assume Gabe will chime in at some point.
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Old 04-16-2007, 12:25 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 NH when you had quad 10s.

What did gabe call with?
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 04-16-2007, 12:27 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 When you're playing HU vs. someone who blurs their air and their real hands, how do you tell which one's which? Are there small subtleties in the lines that change slightly depending on the hole cards?
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Old 04-16-2007, 12:37 AM #5 (permalink)  
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good players have air much, much less often than they have some kind of guttshot to the nuts/draw/strong hand. What they do is blur their hand ranges so that when they bet the turn with a range of (gutshot+bottom pair+ 2pair+trips+air) I cant call with top pair no kciker and lose a lot of value vs a more predictable player.

if a good player is putting lots of money into the pot with air often against you, you probably have some glaring weaknesses in the balance of ur game/ ur lines.
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Old 04-16-2007, 12:44 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:02 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:17 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 Regarding the AA hand, where 300bb deep gabe tripled barreled you with air.
I know you already explained this to me but i think it would be good for the other posters to explain why you took a passive line.

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Old 04-16-2007, 01:20 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 HH's for this HU match, or a lot of them, will be found here on both pages
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...53594&start=70

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PokerStars Game #9441354644: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/04/15 - 19:13:04 (ET)
Table 'Numidia II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: gp333 ($863 in chips)
Seat 4: Sauce123 ($550.60 in chips)
Sauce123: posts small blind $1
gp333: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Sauce123: raises $4 to $6
gp333: raises $14 to $20
Sauce123: calls $14
*** FLOP *** [4d 3h 6s]
gp333: bets $30
Sauce123: calls $30
*** TURN *** [4d 3h 6s] [Td]
gp333: bets $90
Sauce123: calls $90
*** RIVER *** [4d 3h 6s Td] [7s]
gp333: checks
Sauce123: bets $410.60 and is all-in
redgrape said, "hugew pot"
gp333 said, "yea"
gp333 said, "um"
redgrape said, "A high?"
redgrape said, "would be an awesome call"
gp333 said, "pay to see i guess"
gp333: calls $410.60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sauce123: shows [6c 5h] (a straight, Three to Seven)
gp333: mucks hand
Sauce123 collected $1100.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1101.20 | Rake $1
Board [4d 3h 6s Td 7s]
Seat 1: gp333 (big blind) mucked

PokerStars Game #9441211026: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/04/15 - 19:04:44 (ET)
Table 'Pawlowia II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: gp333 ($941.15 in chips)
Seat 5: Sauce123 ($711.20 in chips)
gp333: posts small blind $1
Sauce123: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
gp333: raises $4 to $6
Sauce123: raises $14 to $20
gp333: raises $40 to $60
Sauce123: calls $40
*** FLOP *** [Qc 3s 8h]
Sauce123: checks
gp333: bets $70
Sauce123: calls $70
*** TURN *** [Qc 3s 8h] [2h]
Sauce123: checks
gp333: bets $160
Sauce123: calls $160
*** RIVER *** [Qc 3s 8h 2h] [5d]
Sauce123: checks
gp333: bets $651.15 and is all-in
Sauce123: calls $421.20 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gp333: shows [6c Ts] (high card Queen)
Sauce123: shows [Ac As] (a pair of Aces)
Sauce123 collected $1421.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1422.40 | Rake $1
Board [Qc 3s 8h 2h 5d]
Seat 2: gp333 (button) (small blind) showed [6c Ts] and lost with high card Queen
Seat 5: Sauce123 (big blind) showed [Ac As] and won ($1421.40) with a pair of Aces
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:21 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 Also, another question: Early on you both seemed to practice light four betting small with the intention of folding sometimes... why?
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:21 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:23 AM #13 (permalink)  
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 Gabe can you explained why you c/r bluffed here as opposed to calling when u had SD value? Is it because you think sauce can't call because of preflop?


PokerStars Game #9437265564: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/04/15 - 15:16:56 (ET)
Table 'Numidia II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: gp333 ($400.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Sauce123 ($206.60 in chips)
Sauce123: posts small blind $1
gp333: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Sauce123: raises $4 to $6
gp333: calls $4
*** FLOP *** [6h Kd 8c]
gp333: checks
Sauce123: bets $8
gp333 said, "nah maybe next time"
gp333: calls $8
*** TURN *** [6h Kd 8c] [5c]
gp333: bets $22
Sauce123: calls $22
*** RIVER *** [6h Kd 8c 5c] [Qh]
gp333: checks
Sauce123: bets $42
gp333: raises $322.20 to $364.20 and is all-in
Sauce123: folds
gp333 collected $155 from pot
gp333: shows [8h 7d] (a pair of Eights)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $156 | Rake $1
Board [6h Kd 8c 5c Qh]
Seat 1: gp333 (big blind) collected ($155)
Seat 4: Sauce123 (button) (small blind) folded on the River
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:25 AM #14 (permalink)  
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 Similar hand
PokerStars Game #9437802249: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/04/15 - 15:48:25 (ET)
Table 'Numidia II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: gp333 ($351.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Sauce123 ($358.45 in chips)
Sauce123: posts small blind $1
gp333: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Sauce123: raises $4 to $6
gp333: raises $14 to $20
Sauce123: calls $14
*** FLOP *** [6d 2d Qh]
gp333: bets $30
Sauce123: raises $74 to $104
gp333: calls $74
*** TURN *** [6d 2d Qh] [9c]
gp333: bets $227.20 and is all-in
Sauce123: folds
gp333 collected $247 from pot
gp333: shows [Tc Th] (a pair of Tens)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $248 | Rake $1
Board [6d 2d Qh 9c]
Seat 1: gp333 (big blind) collected ($247)
Seat 4: Sauce123 (button) (small blind) folded on the Turn
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:27 AM #15 (permalink)  
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 1) how many hands did you play?

2) final results? (gabe told me on the phone that he finished up 100 if i remember correctly, making me the winner of the game after playing 3 hands)

3) sorry about the interruption i caused.

4) if you want to multitable hu sometime, i'd be interested.

5) good comeback
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:29 AM #16 (permalink)  
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 Gabe- Here I feel like you really didn't play the hand like a monster, the only hand he could put you on is a backdoor flush so i didn't understand why you were bluffing here, although sauce seemed to have a hard time calling.

PokerStars Game #9438390672: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/04/15 - 16:23:12 (ET)
Table 'Eleonora III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: gp333 ($572 in chips)
Seat 4: Sauce123 ($226.80 in chips)
Sauce123: posts small blind $1
gp333: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Sauce123: raises $4 to $6
gp333: calls $4
*** FLOP *** [4c Kc As]
gp333: checks
Sauce123: checks
*** TURN *** [4c Kc As] [6h]
gp333: bets $8
Sauce123: calls $8
*** RIVER *** [4c Kc As 6h] [Ac]
gp333: checks
Sauce123: bets $40
gp333: raises $518 to $558 and is all-in
Sauce123 said, "ugh"
Sauce123 said, "****"
redgrape said, "wtf"
Sauce123: calls $172.80 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gp333: shows [8c 7d] (a pair of Aces)
Sauce123: shows [2c 5c] (a flush, Ace high)
Sauce123 collected $452.60 from pot
gp333 said, "nc"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $453.60 | Rake $1
Board [4c Kc As 6h Ac]
Seat 1: gp333 (big blind) showed [8c 7d] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: Sauce123 (button) (small blind) showed [2c 5c] and won ($452.60) with a flush, Ace high
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:29 AM #17 (permalink)  
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 sauce, how many hours a day, on average, would you say you have to ice down your ball sack? I mean, it has to get really sore from ISF dangling from it all day.

also, nice comeback.
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:30 AM #18 (permalink)  
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sauce, how many hours a day, on average, would you say you have to ice down your ball sack? I mean, it has to get really sore from ISF dangling from it all day.
I just felt like i should hang from someone elses nutsack than gabe's, his is likely to tear soon.
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:46 AM #19 (permalink)  
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Gabe can you explained why you c/r bluffed here as opposed to calling when u had SD value? Is it because you think sauce can't call because of preflop?
i thought he could beat me, but i didnt think he could call a push
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Gabe- Here I feel like you really didn't play the hand like a monster, the only hand he could put you on is a backdoor flush so i didn't understand why you were bluffing here, although sauce seemed to have a hard time calling.
sure i played it like a monster...

i had been check raising like crazy, so flop play could easily be monster.

we had both been always betting $8 into the $12 pots, so thats what i did on turn.

most hand he pays off a monster on the river with, he probably bets for value, so I c/r bluff trying to get him to fold something good
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PokerStars Game #9437802249: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/04/15 - 15:48:25 (ET)
Table 'Numidia II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: gp333 ($351.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Sauce123 ($358.45 in chips)
Sauce123: posts small blind $1
gp333: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Sauce123: raises $4 to $6
gp333: raises $14 to $20
Sauce123: calls $14
*** FLOP *** [6d 2d Qh]
gp333: bets $30
Sauce123: raises $74 to $104
gp333: calls $74
*** TURN *** [6d 2d Qh] [9c]
gp333: bets $227.20 and is all-in
Sauce123: folds
gp333 collected $247 from pot
gp333: shows [Tc Th] (a pair of Tens)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $248 | Rake $1
Board [6d 2d Qh 9c]
Seat 1: gp333 (big blind) collected ($247)
Seat 4: Sauce123 (button) (small blind) folded on the Turn
he had not been raising top pair in reraised pots so i thought it was against a set or a draw. i hate folding shit in reraised pots so i juts decided i was going to push a blank turn, check call the Td, and check fold the other diamonds
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Old 04-16-2007, 02:14 AM #22 (permalink)  
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 so sauce is checking behind most turns you think?
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gabe i liked that hand
the mid hand stop-n-go with 1010
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did you guys make any special adjustments when you had $1200 and the other person had $200, and vice versa?
 
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Hyper- 1200 vs 200= 200 vs 200 except for u can buy a baller watch with the money not in the effective stacks

lukie-

1) 3629
2) i finished down 100, gabe finished down 650, winner was you and pokerstars friggin rake
3) np
4) yea ill definitely do that, once my brain isnt so fried and i should maybe put some time into making money
5) thanks

ISF- I could 4bet light occasionally as Gabe was only shoving AK, maybe KK once in awhile over my 4bets and he was also folding a lot of hands to my min 4bets as I had been lucky enough to sd good hands mostly even though I had been 4bet bluffing a lot.
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i never really had good hands vs your 4 bets, im pushing alot more than AK KK AA though...didnt I push KQ once? after that gets shown down i'm definitely pushing a huuuge range
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didnt I push KQ once? after that gets shown down i'm definitely pushing a huuuge range
I'm confused, shouldn't you be pushing a tighter range? Or it kind of a reverse psychology thing "He wouldn't push here loosely since he showed down crap."?
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Old 04-16-2007, 05:57 AM #28 (permalink)  
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i meant huge compared to AA KK AK

another thing to add about it: we started getting so deep i stopped wanted to get into preflop pissing wars and see some flops
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gabe- i mean u obviously are pushing a wider range than that, what I mean is I thought in general ur strategy was to see more flops which meant i tended to push it preflop a little more than I would someone else.
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