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dalecooper
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03-14-2008, 12:19 AM
Post subject: Routine decisions
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Small pot, not a super-interesting hand - I'm just curious if you think this is played well on my part. I felt like I made good decisions here with the turn check and river bet. I'm trying to shore up my fundamentals right now as I get back into playing cash games a bit.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP ($25.50)
Hero ($27.75)
Button ($22.10)
SB ($26.55)
BB ($25.35)
UTG ($10.65)
Preflop: Hero is CO with T , K.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB checks.
Flop: ($1.10) 5 , T , Q (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.8, Button folds, BB folds, UTG calls $0.80.
Turn: ($2.70) Q (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.
River: ($2.70) 8 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.3, UTG folds.
Final Pot: $2.70
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Ash256
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- Raise pre
- Bet flop/check turn is fine, as is check flop/bet turn
- Nice river bet
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meeloche
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either raise or fold preflop, played fine postflop.
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Galapogos
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I raise preflop.
I also check this flop more than I bet it.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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nutsinho
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i raise preflop and bet every street vs most limpers
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griffey24
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I don't mind how you played it.
I think if you're gonna check a street in this spot though I think it should be checking back on river. Bet/folding the turn is fine, and its better to bet the turn while some straight draws still might call (while they won't call a river bet if they missed)
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dalecooper
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I figured I'd get a couple remarks about pre-flop. This is a raise for me about 2/3 of the time, with a limp about 1/3 as a change-up and if the table is kind of loose/passive. At a tighter table I would just raise this every time. I'm not a raise or fold guy though, I do limp probably 1/4 of the hands I play, and will limp aces or kings about 10% of the time to trap. Don't know if that is good, bad, or indifferent - but I do know I get bored playing the ABC aggro game.
Griffey - the turn check was because I figured a lot of loose/passive types are capable of check-calling a weak queen on that flop, and I definitely didn't want a check-raise on the turn. My plan from that point was to check the turn and call a reasonable river bet, most likely fold to a large one; or if the river card wasn't too bad and the other player checked it again, to make exactly the value bet I did make.
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by dalecooper
Griffey - the turn check was because I figured a lot of loose/passive types are capable of check-calling a weak queen on that flop, and I definitely didn't want a check-raise on the turn. My plan from that point was to check the turn and call a reasonable river bet, most likely fold to a large one; or if the river card wasn't too bad and the other player checked it again, to make exactly the value bet I did make.
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I don't think a loose-passive is going to c/r bluff you on the turn right? In that case, I don't see whats wrong with getting c/r'd on the turn. If you get c/r'd you're beat and you just fold since you have no outs. Isn't that better than rivering another T and him c/ring you then? What do you do with a boat there?
I think checking through would make more sense if the board was like 9TQQ and you had some insider and you didn't want to get raised off of it, but in this spot you're either ahead or drawing dead I'd imagine.
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dalecooper
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Originally Posted by griffey24
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Originally Posted by dalecooper
Griffey - the turn check was because I figured a lot of loose/passive types are capable of check-calling a weak queen on that flop, and I definitely didn't want a check-raise on the turn. My plan from that point was to check the turn and call a reasonable river bet, most likely fold to a large one; or if the river card wasn't too bad and the other player checked it again, to make exactly the value bet I did make.
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I don't think a loose-passive is going to c/r bluff you on the turn right? In that case, I don't see whats wrong with getting c/r'd on the turn. If you get c/r'd you're beat and you just fold since you have no outs. Isn't that better than rivering another T and him c/ring you then? What do you do with a boat there?
I think checking through would make more sense if the board was like 9TQQ and you had some insider and you didn't want to get raised off of it, but in this spot you're either ahead or drawing dead I'd imagine. |
Hmm, you make a sound argument there. So you think value bet turn still and fold to a CR? If opponent is known to be trickier or more aggressive, is my line here better?
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cjs55
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I think limping this is fine sometimes, but you need a certain set of circumstances to make it more profitable than going the raise/cbet route. I like to limp here when the player who open limped raises alot of cbets, or there are aggressive 3 betters in the blinds.
Or the players in the blinds are so terrible that I want them to see a flop.
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Ash256
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i raise preflop and bet every street vs most limpers
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Because random Qx LOL I CANT FOLD hands don't make up a big enough part of their range? (assuming no Q on turn)
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