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Old 08-28-2006, 03:50 AM     Post subject: River bet too small? #1 (permalink)  
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($39.66)
Hero ($25.25)
BB ($26.80)
UTG ($26.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, Button calls $0.25, Hero (poster) raises to $1.1, 1 fold, Button calls $0.95.

Flop: ($2.65) J, 5, 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button calls $2.

Turn: ($6.65) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, Button calls $4.

River: ($14.65) T (2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button calls $6.

Final Pot: $26.65

River bet too small? What would be more appropriate? ~$10?
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Old 08-28-2006, 04:01 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Any reads on your opponent? Im probably potting the flop and turn and pushing the river against most opponents though.
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Old 08-28-2006, 04:18 AM #3 (permalink)  
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No reads, I'm used to Limit so I don't really know when pushing is appropriate. Can you explain why it is here on the river?
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No reads, I'm used to Limit so I don't really know when pushing is appropriate. Can you explain why it is here on the river?
Because against the average opponent who is just calling us down here and not showing much strength we are going to be ahead more often than not. The river push is simply because we want to get value out of our hand and we do tat by betting, going Pot-Pot will make it so that our stack is a little less than a PSB and is perfect to push for value.
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Old 08-28-2006, 04:33 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Okay, following your advice, is this better?


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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with A A
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: K 4 T ($3, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: 4 ($7, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls.

River: J ($19, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero is all-in $12.75, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $12.75 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $19
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Old 08-28-2006, 04:47 AM #6 (permalink)  
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i think you played them both fine
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Old 08-28-2006, 05:28 AM #7 (permalink)  
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First hand, I don't believe a river push is appropriate, as a matter of fact, the turn should scare the crap out of you. I think 6 is perfect as a block, i'm actually folding to a push-raise here. I like the way it is played.

There is no need to push the river, it gives missed draws an easy way to fold and donates your stack to any completed draws.
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I like the second hand. And again, Im not saying I always go Pot-Pot-Push on the first board, but against a player that goes too showdown too often I am going to take that line because he will call us with a lot of hands other than flushes and we are definitely losing value by not getting AI there.

I am also not saying to push the river as player becuase that would be a sizable overbet. I am saying tat we should build the pot so that by the river our push is likely to be called by worse hands.
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Old 08-28-2006, 04:59 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Both hands are fine, but I think I bet a little more on the river in the first one ($8 instead of $10).
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