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Old 06-18-2008, 12:59 AM     Post subject: Results oriented - quads on flop (25nl) #1 (permalink)  
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UTG is new to table I think (showing 22/14 over 54 hands now, but think this was early).
CO is 10/6/0.4 over 50 hands.

$0.15/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
5 players
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Stacks:
UTG BBeutlin ($24.10)
CO misternapalm ($21.38)
BTN Hero ($30.87)
SB svinkelz ($25.00)
BB protocolruyt ($28.05)

Pre-flop: ($0.40, 5 players) Hero is BTN
BBeutlin raises to $0.90, misternapalm calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.90, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.10, 3 players)
BBeutlin checks, misternapalm checks, Hero bets $2, BBeutlin folds, misternapalm folds

Final Pot: $5.10

Hero wins $4.95 ( won +$2.05 )
BBeutlin lost -$0.90
misternapalm lost -$0.90


So I bet out hoping someone has slowplayed and ace, or wants to come along with their PP given the tight stats on both. Any argument for slowplaying instead?
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Old 06-18-2008, 01:24 AM     Post subject: Re: Results oriented - quads on flop (25nl) #2 (permalink)  
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Any argument for slowplaying instead?
No.

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Old 06-18-2008, 01:26 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Thought so. Easy one .
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Old 06-18-2008, 01:28 AM #4 (permalink)  

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Thats to bad as your oppoents can draw to a flush/have an ace. The counter arguement could be for slowplaying, if they have a pocket pair above 8s and hit there boat, you'll stack them.
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Old 06-18-2008, 01:37 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Yeah, but we're talking a 2 outer there.

A is kinda good, kinda bad. With two tight players in there, theres a fair chance someone has an A. On the other hand, CO in particular has a lot of PPs in his range, and they'll often continue on paired flops, but less often if theres an A there.

Improving to a flush is another possibility, however I deliberately kept my bet a little smaller than usual to give any flush chasers incentive to come along and hopefully hit.
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Old 06-18-2008, 02:37 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 It doesn't look anyone has an ace on the flop so I'd check.
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Old 06-18-2008, 03:05 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 I would check behind here, it usually doesn't matter.
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if we check the flop we only get it in with a FD if it hits.
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 but I think their calling range on the flop is way too small. I'm not convinced about my line, just wanting to hear arguments against it.
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Old 06-19-2008, 03:55 AM #10 (permalink)  
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if we check the flop we only get it in with a FD if it hits.
What is "getting it in" besides AA? I say nothing.

If you check flop Ax will probably c/c two more streets (cuz you showed weakness), and if the flush hits you're possibly golden.

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Old 06-19-2008, 03:59 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Ax will call flop as much as they will turn if we check flop.

FD should call that bet, especially these guys.

Mainly you may get some small value out of weak hands/bluffs if we check flop, but I'm hoping to get more value than that. Maybe thats a pipe dream though, and I never do, who knows...
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 These players will bet out an Ace on the flop though a lot imo. Really only like AQo would c/c which is very rare. AA will obv. c/c or c/r as played but I don't think there are many combos that are calling this flop. CO very rarely can have spades and UTG should be betting that flop with spades unless he's c/r which is rare at those levels with draws.
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