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Pelion
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01-03-2007, 12:39 AM
Post subject: reraising ranges and amounts.
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I think im being too nitty with my reraising against people who arent LAGs.
Against a not insane TAGish villain with something stats of something like 20/10, who opens in middleish position what sort of hands are you reraising and how much are you reraising with 100BB effective stacks after he makes it 4BB.
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Silly String
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I reraise from 3x to 12x or 4x to 14x. I will do this with JJ+, AK. If I feel it is a good spot to pick up the villians PFR cheap, I'll reraise AQ, AJs, or 99+.
Standard 3-bet cards are assumed to be JJ+, AK.
As an aside, I am seeing more 3-betting preflop at 100NL post US ban. I am seeing more 66 & AQ 3-betting. I am more willing to call 3 bets now, and play post flop.
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gabe
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i might reraise any hand depending on my mood, usually for a pot sized reraise more or less
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I reraised andy-akb with T3o before 
but seriously, at the time I think it was a good reraise almost regardless of cards because he had a huge raising range and tight range to call a reraise, especially since I had a solid image. pretty much sums my thinking.
I usually do a pot size raise but make it a little more when oop, although I've started thinking it would be better to vary the size more so on the opponent, and whether they call too much pre flop only to fold the flop or not.
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silu73
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It depends on the player. Against a TAG (20/10) in position I might re-raise with 46s if it happens to often . But normally I would re-raise TT-AA, AKs, AKo, AQs to about 3x the original raise.
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Renton
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01-03-2007, 04:15 AM
Post subject: Re: reraising ranges and amounts.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Pelion
Against a not insane TAGish villain with something stats of something like 20/10, who opens in middleish position what sort of hands are you reraising and how much are you reraising with 100BB effective stacks after he makes it 4BB.
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14BB, pretty much always raise AQ+ TT+. If my image is good and i'm on the cutoff or button i'll also threebet KQ, AJ, 88, 99, and any two decent cards on occasion.
As far as the size goes, i like 3.5 time their raise generally (pot), but im not strict here. I just want them to put at least 10% of their stack in to call (hence, calling with PP's out of position for "set value" is shut down (although they often will still call anyway,  ))
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UG
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Originally Posted by gabe
i might reraise any hand depending on my mood, usually for a pot sized reraise more or less
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I think gabe hit it on the head here...
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Originally Posted by benny999
I reraised andy-akb with T3o before
but seriously, at the time I think it was a good reraise almost regardless of cards because he had a huge raising range and tight range to call a reraise, especially since I had a solid image. pretty much sums my thinking.
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This is good stuff too. If I feel a guy is getting out of line, has a large raising range, I have a good image...then my cards really don't matter sometimes. I'm not looking to go to showdown when I reraise, just giving off the indication that I have a big hand and will definitely go all the way with it (when sometimes there's no way I'll want to).
Figuring out what your opponents raising range is, what he calls re-raises with, board texture and whether we should bet the flop even with nothing, etc, etc, is how you make money at this game.
Being in position is a huge factor, too.
Also, opening up your reraising range will hopefully get you paid off later in the match. If I've reraised you two or three times already, yeah maybe I had a hand maybe I didn't....but if I reraise you that third or fourth time I more than likely have a huge hand. By that time you'll be getting tired of me and will pay me off with your not-so-great hand.
And FWIW, I try to make my re-raises 3.5x's whatever they raised. If there is a caller in-between it usually goes to 4.5x's or 5x's whatever the original raise was. Anything less and you're giving your opponent better odds to call......anything more and you'll only blow out hands preflop that aren't kicking your ass already.
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kmind
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I fail to see how a pot sized raise prevents any 2 cards from calling your 3bet.
Example for 100NL:
UTG raises to $4, 2 folds, pot size is now $5.50. If I reraise only to $11 isn't the original raiser obligated to call getting 3:1 on his money. Am I missing something? Are you just trying to isolate, and play postflop?
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zook
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Originally Posted by Silly String
I fail to see how a pot sized raise prevents any 2 cards from calling your 3bet.
Example for 100NL:
UTG raises to $4, 2 folds, pot size is now $5.50. If I reraise only to $11 isn't the original raiser obligated to call getting 3:1 on his money. Am I missing something? Are you just trying to isolate, and play postflop?
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The pot in your example is $9.50. You have to put $4 in to call before you raise. So a pot sized raise would be to $13.50. Now he has to put in $9.50 to call, which, if you both start at 100BB, doesn't give him good enough implied odds (assuming you don't always stack off with TP or an overpair).
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Silly String
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Ah, thank you. That makes more sense. I guess that is a better way to figure it, but I used to get to the same end with a different approach.
Your way will alway ensure that the villain is only getting 2:1 on his money.
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