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elipsesjeff

03-06-2007, 12:21 PM Post subject: Reraised hands vs regulars

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Villain is regular, got a couple hundred hands on him he is 21/16 and could be LRR.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($78.25)
BB ($126.40)
Hero ($100)
Button ($122.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J

, J

.
Hero raises to $4, Button raises to $14, 2 folds, Hero calls $10.

Flop: ($29.50) 2

, 8

, 9

(2 players)
Hero checks (I want to lead into him here 2/3 of pot ), Button checks.

Turn: ($29.50) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($29.50) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $15, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $44.50

Hand 2: Villain has same stats as above, 21/16 and my image is pretty standard so far, I havent gotten out of line.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($79.10)
MP ($59)
CO ($128.40)
Hero ($98.50)
SB ($135.55)
BB ($99)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K

, Q

.
1 fold, MP calls $1, CO raises to $5, Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, MP folds, CO calls $11.

Flop: ($34.50) Q

, T

, 4

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($34.50) 7

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

River: ($34.50) 3

(2 players)
CO bets $30, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $64.50

I felt like I was a little weak on these two hands. A flop bet felt all too standard on hand 2 for it to be correct. In both cases I didn't like a river call even after I showed weakness.

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03-06-2007, 01:36 PM

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I don't understand what you were doing on hand two. Why are you re-raising pre-flop then checking the flop and turn when you hit?

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03-06-2007, 02:56 PM Post subject: Re: Reraised hands vs regulars

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

A flop bet felt all too standard on hand 2 for it to be correct.

Care to elaborate?

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03-06-2007, 02:58 PM

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both of your hands are seriously underrepped by the river, why not call these w/ no threat of another bet?

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03-06-2007, 03:19 PM

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Maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm seriously confused by both of these hands.

hand 1 - sure I can see a fold maybe. If villain has a reasonably re-raise range, the only hands you're beating are 1010 and KQs. But still, you've under-repped your hand and its only a 1/2 pot bet. You don't think you're ahead here more than 25% of the time?

hand 2 - no idea whats going on lol. Bet the flop, or if you think a flop bet will only fold worse hands, then at least bet the turn and you can fold to a push/raise.

I just don't get why you are re-raising PF, if you're gonna fold a board where you hit your top pair?

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03-06-2007, 03:24 PM

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I fold hand one preflop a massive % of the time. As played its fine i think, even if he's valuetowning QQ on the river, you obviously don't beat that. I suppose a donkbet could be in order on the flop, but he might own you with any two cards if you do that, so I'd rather check.

Hand two is terrible IMO. I like the flop check probably 50-75% of the tme. Bet the turn, bet the river. As played call the river instantly. You have top pair good kicker underrepped in a threebet pot with position.

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03-06-2007, 03:26 PM

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Here's my take - correct me if I'm wrong.

Hand 1 - if you're going to play like this than just fold preflop. If you call preflop, you have to lead that flop - either take it down there or you'll at least see where you are at and can make a better fold.

Hand 2 - that's just wtf to me. I definitely bet that flop. And as played - you HAVE to call that river.

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03-06-2007, 03:29 PM

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1) What would the merits of leading into him be [Serious question, I see it mentioned a lot here and really havent incorporated this into my game much at all]? I dont mind anything in this hand except the river. Would he typically cbet his overs on this board? Or if he didnt, would he check an ace turn without one? I think there is a good chance you see villain show up with something like AQ here, but I think you are good here enough to call 1/2 pot, especially how passively the hand has been played.

2) Im really not liking this. I dont mind the pf RR or the flop check, but if Im checking the flop it is with the intention of betting the turn, especially a seemingly blank one like the 7s. If you arent betting the turn, you should be calling this river IMO.

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03-06-2007, 04:13 PM

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Sorry - what's LRR?

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03-06-2007, 04:37 PM

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light reraiser

Hand 1 I sometimes lead flop, sometimes I check, and then when the Ace turn my hand is screwed so I'll fold the river too. Sure it's only half pot but I beat virtually nothing and I think it's plausible that he is giving me a good price because of his obvious ace and my obvious lack thereof.

Hand 2 I call this river, but I think I'd bet the turn.

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03-06-2007, 08:58 PM

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Hand 1 I was torn between taking the pot down and hoping to get value from missed overcards. How often are we check raising all in on this flop to take the pot down after the overcards miss? How often does it have to be correct for it to work?

Hand 2 I was thinking if I do bet only a better hand will call and I have showdown value. IMO, Villain has an Ace or overpair here although I've seen some stupid shit lately. I folded the river because, after mining through some of my hands Pot sized river bets where I call with marginal hands I'm losing a massive amount of times.

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03-06-2007, 10:41 PM

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Hand 1: Fine.

Hand 2: Bleh, this is bad. If you're 3 betting preflop a lot and betting the flop I'm not a fan of checking this behind when we hit. Sometimes I check the flop but betting is standard 90% of the time. As played you really should bet the turn, and if you somehow check the flop AND turn, you need to instacall any river bet with TPGK here.

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03-06-2007, 11:05 PM

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Hand 1. Fold correct IMO. You're only beating TT and KQ and not much else.

Hand 2. What others said. You reraised and then hit your hand, your 2 checks could easily induce a bet from Ace-high / pocket pairs, and you only had to commit for 1 bet. Insta-call.

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03-07-2007, 01:03 AM

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Hand 1 is fine imo, calling river is ok also probably given the odds you are getting.

If you donk the flop I would shove on you with any two almost always but I dont know if villain will figure that out.

Hand 2- bet the flop, probably call a push. As played call river.

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03-07-2007, 01:10 AM

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sry probably call a push is wrong- what I'm saying is that you shouldn't have the intention of always folding to a push, It is going to depend on the villain and the play dynamics between the two of you for you to make a decision.

The problem with always folding to a push is that it is a pretty good spot for villain to bluff CR you- you fold AK JJ maybe KQ AQ and any other trash you may have been 3betting in position.

It is also a very drawy flop so its an almost auto-shove for him with any str8 draw, flush draw, with the pot this big. You will also be getting some pretty substantial odds so what I'm saying is that calling a shove here isn't a cut and dried decision one way or the other. Sauce.

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03-07-2007, 08:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I folded the river because, after mining through some of my hands Pot sized river bets where I call with marginal hands I'm losing a massive amount of times.

I don't think you can just look at an isolated fact like that.. often it'll be true that river pot bets are the real thing because there is no more betting left after that, so it's "now or never"-time for villain's (slowplayed) monster hands.. but in this particular instance, you reraise pre, then check twice. To me (in villain's shoes) this looks like you tried a RR with crap and wussed out or the flop scared you too much or something. I think there's a good chance he has air here, more than the 30% u need to be good here.

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