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mixchange
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11-20-2008, 01:34 AM
Post subject: Rediculous Flop Overshoves
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4-of-a-Kind
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($328.85)
UTG ($60.80)
Hero (Button) ($200)
SB ($222.25)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A , Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, SB raises to $10, 1 fold, Hero calls $4
Flop: ($22) 9 , Q , 5 (2 players)
SB bets $212.25 (All-In), Hero calls $190 (All-In)
Turn: ($402) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($402) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $402 | Rake: $2
What is our calling range here? Does his min3bet preflop make you more or less likely to call?
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thizzSantaCruz
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I would probably fold here but I'm honestly not sure if its right. I saw actionDJ make a similar play in one of his latest videos. I think he called a 5x pot shove with QQ on a J hi board in a pot that some fish had 3 bet and called his 4 bet....maybe calling these real fishy players retardo moves like this is +ev. I would like to hear peoples thoughts.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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I would likely call with KQ as well but I have no good analysis for it. It's just a shrug I'm ahead when he's being a monkey...
Meh, doubt I muck JJ (assuming i flat pre). I'm a curious george calling station
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Galapogos
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Barring reads, I call and am usually very happy with the results.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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bjsaust
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At 50nl against a shorter stack this is usually AA or KK doing some weird form of value bet (they'll usually proudly show if you fold). From a fullstacker I'm not so sure what I'd do.
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Just playing to improve.
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IowaSkinsFan
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min3bet pre makes us way less likely to call obv.
I fold.
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nutsinho
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wait, people call these?
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My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
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bjsaust
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I do if I set-mined them successfully!
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Just playing to improve.
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
min3bet pre makes us way less likely to call obv.
I fold.
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Yah this, min3bet means he has KK/AA a ton I'd imagine.
If it was just some single raised pot pre, I'd prob call it though. esp if it was a donk shove into us or something.
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mixchange
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OK, I don't know about others' stakes but lately I have been seeing many fish min3betting a lot more than I used to. I don't know if it's something that has caught on with fish or what, but I am running now into a lot of 200NL fish on stars who are min3betting.
I'm either dealing with this by 4betting looser or calling and floating. Granted, most players aren't overshoving small pots, but many are overbetting the flop. Some quit on the turn, others will 2x barrel.
So perhaps I should've prefaced my post with that, because I know certain fish with 3bet % 3 and under just always have it here, but its hard to tell when its more like 6-9. The guys 10+ I snap call this but I believe he was more like 6. Low sample size though
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bode
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i fold this without much thought. i've seen a few min3bets from fish the last few sessions ive played also. dont know what it is, maybe there is some fish trainging site that teaches that?
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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sweetlemon69
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have you been spewy at the table, possibly pissing this guy off?
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mixchange
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no i have not been sweet
he was newish to table but i had datamined a bit previously.
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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So we fold just because his line is indicative of preflop nut hands?
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Galapogos
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At what point do you guys that want to fold decide to fold if he fires three regular sized barrels for stacks?
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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Juked07
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Originally Posted by Galapogos
At what point do you guys that want to fold decide to fold if he fires three regular sized barrels for stacks?
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I'm a fish and I'd call 2 streets and fold river, losing the maximum possible amount of money without gaining any information. But I also think that tons of hands give up after 2 barrels, and they're mostly hands that are behind TPTK.
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mixchange
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Villain had AJ for nothing but a bluff. Was curious what ppl thought how often I'd be good here, my main reason for calling was the overshove. I feel like ppl with AA/KK are minraising but then mainly potting, not just open shoving flop
I just don't want one hand to turn me into a payoff wizard here, but w/e
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griffey24
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If flop had two hearts or two spades, I'd call this a lot faster.
But obv if this spewtard is jamming AJ here, I'd take a note and never fold again 
I still thing this is an overpair a lot, based on PF 3bet sizing.
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nutsinho
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I think he shows T7ss a lot here, so call if you like to gamble. Even if he showed me this hand, I'd still jam my thumb into that rectum you were so fond of.
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