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Old 02-14-2007, 07:44 PM     Post subject: Really nitty situation versus a nit. #1 (permalink)  
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 Opp is 20/8/1.7, when he has had strength he's most of the time shown it on the flop. at no point has he bluffed or been out of line. This is easy right?
PokerStars Game #8440116230: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/02/14 - 15:32:22 (ET)
Table 'Sergestus II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Wyju ($50.25 in chips)
Seat 2: I pRaXiS I ($116.05 in chips)
Seat 4: IMSUPERCREAL ($117.85 in chips)
Seat 5: JBalkenende ($386.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Reelemin09 ($32.20 in chips)
Reelemin09: posts small blind $0.50
Wyju: posts big blind $1
sundeha: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IMSUPERCREAL [Qs Kh]
I pRaXiS I: folds
IMSUPERCREAL: raises $3 to $4
JBalkenende: calls $4
Reelemin09: folds
Wyju: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [Qc 3d 4c]
Wyju: bets $1
IMSUPERCREAL: raises $11 to $12
JBalkenende: calls $12
Wyju: folds
*** TURN *** [Qc 3d 4c] [Ks]
IMSUPERCREAL: checks
JBalkenende: bets $40
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Old 02-14-2007, 07:50 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Well, the hand would play better had you lead the turn and if he raises you big you can let it go. But, you gave him an opportunity to bluff you almost force yourself to put your stack on the line here. I don't think villain has 33 or 44 here enough to lay this down, and could very likely have KQ or JTc and play it the same way. Don't give too much respect to nits as they use their image alot.


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Old 02-14-2007, 07:55 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 bet call turn as played all in?
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Old 02-14-2007, 07:59 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 bet the turn, im folding to a push because his line is dfbdfbdfbdfb do i really wanna get stacked here?
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Old 02-14-2007, 10:45 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 This is gross I'm about 65/35 fold-push vs the villain u described. If he views you as very aggro flat calling with 333/444 is fine.

You could also have the same hand here quite a bit...
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 02-14-2007, 11:06 PM #6 (permalink)  
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gotta shove even with those stats, hope he has KcJc or something
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This is gross I'm about 65/35 fold-push vs the villain u described.
Really? I don't think you are folding here 65% of the time.

It seems easy to say it on the forum, but seriously I think I fold this only when the board is scarier. Otherwise, I am calling here everytime.

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 I don't think I can fold to a shove if I lead out the turn can I?
After thinking about the hand more I feel like their is really no way I can fold here.
I also think that leading out the turn is not as good as checking. The hand's he's not taking all the way, 65, two clubs, both most likely bet the turn because of the scare card, and hands like AQ or QJ are definetely folding to a second barrel.
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Old 02-14-2007, 11:49 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 I cannot fold this.

I like the KcJc read.
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Old 02-15-2007, 12:08 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 yeah I guess I'm maybe 127389107times nittier in the forums than I am in real life. Still feel that he has a set or the same hand a whole lot of the time here.

I have folded hands before though lol! I have even folded teh top pair a few times recently...

The KcJc makes sense since you've underepped your hand by checking turn. U have a king though, and if he's calling with the nutflush draw (something like Ac10c) then not sure he makes a great bet here since he exposes himself to your C/R ai.

Oh and about my "65/35" fold-push ratio. That's just based on the range I'd put a nit on with action going like this (nits like to slowplay sets and his line matches 33/44 just fine unless he's TEHPROTECTOR of monsters even vs aggro villains).

Thing is, usually I listen to the 35% of my read more than the 65% of my read
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 02-15-2007, 03:03 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 Well whatever the case you should make your decision quicker, Reelemin09 does not appear to be very impressed!

Anyway, I say go with your read that when he has strength it's on the flop. That's a weird turn bet. I like getting it in on the turn.


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You could also have the same hand here quite a bit...
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