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bspahn
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09-29-2010, 08:04 AM
Post subject: rate my stats
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not sure which section in the forums this should be.
i realize its a fairly small sample but this is how i'm playing at the moment, I'd say overall I kinda like it. shall i post stats by position as well?
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griffey24
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stats without positional stats always seemed useless to me.
Just looking generally looks good. Your wtsd seems pretty low (and as a result, your won at SD seems pretty high)
Probably folding a few too many rivers.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
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I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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lancelott_
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put in the positional stats
flop chraise/raise %? flop call%? fold vs flop cbet? BB/SB fold vs steal?
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Micro2Macro
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hard to believe you are doing much wrong with that win rate
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bspahn
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lancelott_
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seems fine, what are the stats i wrote higher?
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Alexos
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looser on the btn, possibly cutoff depending on tables though.
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griffey24
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Yah I was gonna say the same thing. Maybe post your steal % for CO/Btn?
I'd have to check my stats, but maybe a bit tighter out of the blinds?
I feel like my overall numbers are similar to you, but I'm way looser CO/BTn, so I'd assume I'm way tighter in blinds. Not sure though.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Silly String
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Judging by the difference b/n your PFR/VPIP in late position you rarely flat and play a hand post flop. Is this a leak in my game? I am flatting OTB kinda often to loose openers and CO openers with good playable hands SCs, Axs, middling broadways, etc.
I would think you could mix in some IP flatting and drive loose openers crazy.
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bspahn
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meh i find i just lose most pots when i have no initiative. such is the case for a lot of hands like suited connectors and the like, even suited broadways in a lot of cases.
this kinda bugs me in fact. i mainly flat hands like AJs, ATs, AQ, pairs etc against earlier pos raisers
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by Silly String
Judging by the difference b/n your PFR/VPIP in late position you rarely flat and play a hand post flop. Is this a leak in my game? I am flatting OTB kinda often to loose openers and CO openers with good playable hands SCs, Axs, middling broadways, etc.
I would think you could mix in some IP flatting and drive loose openers crazy.
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I think a lot of these hands you're mentioning are decent to add to your IP 3-betting range.
Unless you have good reads on villains tendencies, the fact that you have position with some SC won't necessarily outweigh the fact that he has initiative.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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JL
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It doesn't make sense that you are 3betting more from the BB than from the SB. In the BB, you have better odds to to call more. (unless you are 3betting BB vs SB religiously)
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by JL
It doesn't make sense that you are 3betting more from the BB than from the SB. In the BB, you have better odds to to call more. (unless you are 3betting BB vs SB religiously)
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I remember this debate happening in another thread as well.
I think the consensus was higher 3bet on BB due to squeezing opportunities + 3betting SB opportunities. Its probably a matter of style for sure. Aggro ppl will likely have 3bets higher in the BB than SB I'd imagine.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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bspahn
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yea only reason BB is high is cuz im having good success 3betting very wide against most 3bet raisers, either getting fold or having them call wide and folding to many cbets
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bspahn
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Keep in mind this is only september, it's just more or less an indicator of how i'm playing at this moment in time. (sample ~ 60k hands)
Steal Pct: 38.7
SB Fold to steal: 86.6
BB Fold to steal: 73.1
Fold flop vs cbet:49.2
Flop vs raise fold: 58.5
Check-raise flop: 9.7
Flop raise: 13
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lancelott_
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yea i mean everything seems kinda "standart" as the book says, obv everything depends on specific table rather than overall stats
as people said - your CO/BU stats could go a bit up, but blinds stats down/tighten up
i think you should/can (depending on BU/BB obv) play a bit looser from CO, rahter than from SB actually
you included the bet turn% bet river%, i`m not sure, never used them - put out the turn/river cbet % better
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Renton
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your stats look really similar to mine. You seem to be folding to reraises too much though.
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lancelott_
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yea i was thinking about this lately - i checked out PTR and for most players like 60-70% avg 65% fold vs 3B seems optimal. Also the higher is the buyin from nl200+ the lower fold vs 3B seems to be optimal
obv it depends on table conditions and players specificly, but i would assume 65% is good on avg?
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by lancelott_
yea i was thinking about this lately - i checked out PTR and for most players like 60-70% avg 65% fold vs 3B seems optimal. Also the higher is the buyin from nl200+ the lower fold vs 3B seems to be optimal
obv it depends on table conditions and players specificly, but i would assume 65% is good on avg?
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We can't really generalize on this stat. If we assume that most of the time we would choose to call a 3bet are on the button vs a 3bet in the blinds, then this is entirely dependent on our button opening range.
The tighter our stealing range, the lower our fold to 3bet.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Renton
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i think somewhere in the upper 50's lower 60's is probably best, but as griffey says, it depends on how tight you are opening as well.
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