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ATOTHEC101
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12-21-2008, 09:59 PM
Post subject: Rate my deep stack bluff
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Full House
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Villain in this hand is a multitabling bot running 17/13 over 200ish hands, hes still a solid winner due to the amount of hands he plays.
I figured my line looks really strong and his range after the turn of 9x, 1010,jj should fold to my river bet?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
villain (BB) ($225.40)
UTG ($109.25)
Hero (MP) ($197.50)
Button ($332.60)
SB ($197.80)
Preflop: Hero is MP with 6 , 7
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, villain calls $2.50
Flop: ($7.50) 2 , 9 , 4 (2 players)
villain checks, Hero bets $6, villain calls $6
Turn: ($19.50) 2 (2 players)
villain bets $16, Hero raises to $44, villain calls $28
River: ($107.50) 8 (2 players)
villain checks, Hero bets $82
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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I think tightish multitabling bots try to C/C that river with TT+ once they called the turn raise. 9X prlly folds. Bots in general make less big laydowns with their good PF hands.
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GatorJH
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There is no way a thinking player who thought he was good on the turn now thinks he is behind on the river with that card. I think you have a better shot at this if the board had more draws on it that could have completed.
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IowaSkinsFan
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I'm mildly surprised. I'll give it a 8.5/10 for thought. Although I'd rather have 65, A3 AK, AQ, KQ, or a fd, then I probably would've said it was a good bluff.
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zook
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I kind of like it. Although the turn raise should be bigger if you know you're bluffing the river to get him off of 9x/TT/JJ b/c then your bluff makes more money.
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Luke999
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I like it, NH.
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griffey24
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I like it. But like ISF said, I'd like it a lot more with some equity here.
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bigred
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Of op calls move up in stakes to where they respect your raises.
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LOL OPERATIONS
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JL
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Im surprised no one mentioned folding preflop.
This is a fairly loose open from the button let alone the CO.
But meh preflop isn't that important anyways.
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Galapogos
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Originally Posted by JL
Im surprised no one mentioned folding preflop.
This is a fairly loose open from the button let alone the CO.
But meh preflop isn't that important anyways.
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How in god`s name do you play 30/26 or whatever you were saying you run at?
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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nutsinho
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i dont open 67o from the cutoff and i am one of very loosest regulars in my games. i would say that not opening it from the button would be semi nitty though.
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ATOTHEC101
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well unfortunately I got looked up fairly quickly by 1010. Guess I shouldnt bluff bots.
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nutsinho
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i looked at this hand and didnt respond at the time but my thoughts were: consider that his flop+turn line, though probably bad, only has merit if he think he is often inducing a bluff and therefore if you think he is decent and able to take consistent lines you shouldnt try bluffing him. it would be much more profitable to bluffraise a random spewy donk here.
I didn't want to discourage you though because i thought it was a pretty cool play and you used very good betsizing.
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grindinginnj
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I fold pre, but if I was in hand I would fold turn.
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Stackin chips and rippin lips!!
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ZwiFT
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its amazing on the forums if a pro or better yet a guy with high post counts posts his opinion, how everybody suddenly agree's with him.
And, yeah ill fold preflop.
and for the 2nd thought, i am also one of these bots who calls down too light here. And what i do is check YOUR stats before i call, if your a solid tag player ill probably fold, but if i see your a spewmonkey ill snap with TT-JJ here. Given that you open raise 67o from MP leans me towards the 2nd line but I'm not gonna judge.
What I'm saying is, a standard tag at NL100 is also gonna make a read on you in this position, whether its from personal experience or hud stats
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JL
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Galapogos
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Originally Posted by JL
Im surprised no one mentioned folding preflop.
This is a fairly loose open from the button let alone the CO.
But meh preflop isn't that important anyways.
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How in god`s name do you play 30/26 or whatever you were saying you run at? |
Haha wat?
I play 25/21 on average.
I definitely open 76o from the button, unless the players in the blinds defend a lot.
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ATOTHEC101
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Originally Posted by ZwiFT
its amazing on the forums if a pro or better yet a guy with high post counts posts his opinion, how everybody suddenly agree's with him.
And, yeah ill fold preflop.
and for the 2nd thought, i am also one of these bots who calls down too light here. And what i do is check YOUR stats before i call, if your a solid tag player ill probably fold, but if i see your a spewmonkey ill snap with TT-JJ here. Given that you open raise 67o from MP leans me towards the 2nd line but I'm not gonna judge.
Also this guy would have very limited stats on me as ive only just moved back down to 100nl and was playing mostly 200nl fullring before this.
What I'm saying is, a standard tag at NL100 is also gonna make a read on you in this position, whether its from personal experience or hud stats
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well generally I play around 22/20/3 and most of the time im not a spew monkey (though not all the time obviously). I felt this was a good time to run a bluff against this guy as I had a solid table image and hadnt been to showdown with any bluffs or weak holdings. I also agree that 67 off is too loose from the cutoff, the table was very passive so i felt i could loosen my openeing range.
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ZwiFT
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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101
well generally I play around 22/20/3 and most of the time im not a spew monkey (though not all the time obviously). I felt this was a good time to run a bluff against this guy as I had a solid table image and hadnt been to showdown with any bluffs or weak holdings. I also agree that 67 off is too loose from the cutoff, the table was very passive so i felt i could loosen my openeing range.
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Yeah sorry i didn't mean to pick on you, just tried to make a point that you need to know your own table image before you make these plays vs a decent player. Yes 67o is on the looser side but i would aslo open it with your reads. Esp if blinds are loose/passive or passive/passive with a button who doesnt 3bet/call alot
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Toadstool
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I really like your play, and really dislike villains play. Even if your preflop stats are loose....that doesnt mean your going to be loose in big pots. 1010 beats no value bet here, and he just called hoping you were bluffing, which doesnt really happen a high enough % to make this a call in a big pot.
But at least you know you'll get paid later on.
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