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n3wbs
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05-11-2007, 10:04 PM
Post subject: Range for calling AI from MANIAC deep?
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Here is the situation:
After a quick $200 NL HU scouting I found a previous maniac opponent 300BB deep. Early into the match he doubled my top two up while looking to complete his draw.
For the next 15-16 hand’s villain relentlessly pushes AI pre-flop, two of which was when I made a raise from the button.
I am roughly 200BB deep and villain covers. What is your hand ranges for calling villain AI here?
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Ash256
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top 60% if I think he's gonna leave soon, top 80% if he's planning on pushing a few more.
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bigspenda73
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If I say like 77+, Ax+, KJ/KQ is someone going to bump the "NITTTTSSSSSSSS" thread?
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n3wbs
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Originally Posted by Ash256
top 60% if I think he's gonna leave soon, top 80% if he's planning on pushing a few more.
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I didn't have the luxury of knowing this information unfortunatly.
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Ash256
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Won't searching him in the fishsearch get a feel for how many tables he's playing? If he's playing 3+ he's not leaving in an hurry.
I see what you mean though, I think I was referring to the "feel" I get from players.
I can see the depth to your question though, whilst my initial response was "top 51% duhhhh", we find it a struggle to tell when psychotilt will wear off and sense will kick in.
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mcatdog
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I started a thread about this a couple of weeks ago.
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
If I say like 77+, Ax+, KJ/KQ is someone going to bump the "NITTTTSSSSSSSS" thread?
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That's not a horrible range but you should be happier to call with 55 and 66 than with A2 or A3 because you'll dominate his trash more often. If I was in the big blind I'd call with maybe 44+, Axs, A4+, K8+, Q9+, JT. If I was in earlier position I'd probably only call with like 77+, AT+, KQ because I don't want to risk someone behind me waking up with a monster.
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n3wbs
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
I started a thread about this a couple of weeks ago.
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
If I say like 77+, Ax+, KJ/KQ is someone going to bump the "NITTTTSSSSSSSS" thread?
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That's not a horrible range but you should be happier to call with 55 and 66 than with A2 or A3 because you'll dominate his trash more often. If I was in the big blind I'd call with maybe 44+, Axs, A4+, K8+, Q9+, JT. If I was in earlier position I'd probably only call with like 77+, AT+, KQ because I don't want to risk someone behind me waking up with a monster. |
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Somewhere between the top 15-25% of hands, leaning towards 15%.
You really really really want to be the favorite when all the money is in the pot and he's not exactly robbing you blind this deep.
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bigspenda73
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So you've opened on the Button and he's pushed? Have you limped on the button?
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Pelion
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Well he looks like hes going for a while so id go with 77+, A9?+, maybe KQ. I doubt hes sticking around once youve got allin with him so like Fnord says, Make sure youre a "big" favorite.
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n3wbs
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
So you've opened on the Button and he's pushed? Have you limped on the button?
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Limped(1) Raised(2) : From Button
I think peoples calling ranges are too wide, we don't want to be getting it AI pre flop deep with minmal edge.
Personally I think im calling somwhere around 12-13 % of top hands.
The worst case scenario, villain leaves. If villain stays but stop's pushing AI pre-flop, then we still have a decent edge without making borderline calls. I am always a fan of the low variance route.
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sauce123
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yea i think 77+ A9+ KQs+ seems fine
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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mcatdog
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I think you guys are way too tight. In my experience these guys don't keep doing this for more than a few hands in a row usually. More than likely, he'll leave the table soon and you'll feel dumb that you folded your QJo and cost yourself about $60 of EV vs. his random hand.
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mcatdog
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Originally Posted by n3wbs
The worst case scenario, villain leaves.
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How is this not a completely terrible scenario?
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sauce123
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yea but theres also the possibilty that he bluff shoves once and looks down and sees QQ the next hand and smartly shoves
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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n3wbs
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
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Originally Posted by n3wbs
The worst case scenario, villain leaves.
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How is this not a completely terrible scenario? |
Isn't calling deep against a maniac when only a slight favourite, not a worst case scenario?
Villian leaving isn't an awful scenario, my edge is much better playing pots as that is the stronger part of my game. I can either wait for a callable hand, allow him to simmer down, or he leaves in which i finish the match $170~ in profit and continue with my other matches.
So no I don't think villain leaving is a completely horrible scenario... I already have a big edge, i don't need to make stupid borderline loose calls just because he is pushing relentlessly.... especially at a level where i only stand to lose minimum blinding away. I very much doubt he stays and continues to push, hes going to simmer down sometime or just leave.
If I don't pick up 10-12% range by then, unlucky for me but im still in profit without pushing tiny %'s just because i can.
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sauce123
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honestly a lot of this depends on how much you want to gamble
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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n3wbs
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Originally Posted by sauce123
honestly a lot of this depends on how much you want to gamble
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Give that man a prize
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