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Jager

11-30-2006, 08:37 PM Post subject: Raising behind limpers.

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Does anyone here raise behind limper/s with SCs? SGs? Any 2 weak broadway? I know it depends on the raiser, but I am more interested in the postflop implications of raising hands such as these. When you do raise and get a caller with position on you how do you proceed(I assume you will bet with position)? Axx board do you usually cbet? If you hit big do you c/c or c/r or bet?

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11-30-2006, 08:40 PM

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ZOMG, if you're not raising terrible players with playable hands + position you're leaving a fortune on the table.

Re-post:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($9.10)
SB ($189)
BB ($96.60)
UTG ($170.50)
MP ($200.05)
Fnord ($209.15)

Preflop: Fnord is CO with T

, K

.
1 fold, MP calls $2, Fnord raises to $10, 3 folds, MP calls $8.

Flop: ($23) K

, T

, 4

(2 players)
MP bets $12, Fnord raises to $35, MP calls $23.

Turn: ($93) 6

(2 players)
MP bets $12, Fnord raises to $70, MP calls $58.

River: ($233) A

(2 players)
MP bets $12, Fnord raises to $94.15

Opponent had KJ

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Jager

12-01-2006, 01:10 AM

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I think this is part of my evolution as a player. I am looking for more situations to exploit postflop. I seen this hand in the other thread. How often are you getting into tough spots when the 10 doesn't come on this hand? Are you left calling down here? Are you bluffing when the A hits?

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12-01-2006, 01:57 AM

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Plan A is to apply pressure on their crap hand to hit a board.
Plan B is to use my position + agression to get maximum value when I catch the other guy second best.

The range of hands you do this depends on how the other guy is playing and how much distrust you've built up.

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aislephive

12-01-2006, 03:03 AM

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In late position raising limpers with decent hands is pretty much free money.

apunisher

12-01-2006, 03:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

, K

.
1 fold, MP calls $2, Fnord raises to $10, 3 folds, MP calls $8.

Flop: ($23) K

, T

, 4

(2 players)
MP bets $12, Fnord raises to $35, MP calls $23.

Turn: ($93) 6

(2 players)
MP bets $12, Fnord raises to $70, MP calls $58.

River: ($233) A

(2 players)
MP bets $12, Fnord raises to $94.15

Opponent had KJ

results oriented? Would u be posting this if flop came K94?

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12-01-2006, 07:11 AM

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results oriented? Would u be posting this if flop came K94?

I wouldn't be playing a $400 pot.

The most common case is we both miss and I pick up the pot via position + aggression.

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12-01-2006, 07:30 AM

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More fun with bad players

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($109.50)
UTG ($88.30)
MP ($168.35)
Fnord ($501.85)
Button ($113.75)
SB ($392.70)

Preflop: Fnord is CO with J

, Q

.
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, Fnord raises to $10, 1 fold, SB calls $9, 1 fold, UTG calls $8.

Flop: ($32) 2

, 4

, J

(3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $8, Fnord raises to $30, SB folds, UTG calls $22.

Turn: ($92) 7

(2 players)
UTG bets $48.3 (All-In), Fnord calls $48.30.

River: ($188.60) K

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $188.60

Results in white below:
UTG has Jc 8h (one pair, jacks).
Fnord has Js Qc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Fnord wins $188.60.

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Numbr2intheWorld

12-01-2006, 02:32 PM

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hmmm, i was thinking UTG probably had a flush draw, but nvm, he sucks even more than that.

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12-03-2006, 08:24 AM

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Sometimes I just call too, particularly on the button. Particularly when they're this terrible.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($149.20)
UTG ($146.90)
MP ($349.10)
Fnord ($200)
SB ($271.25)

Preflop: Fnord is Button with J

, 8

.
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, Fnord calls $2, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($8) 9

, Q

, T

(4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2, UTG raises to $10, Fnord raises to $30, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $20.

Turn: ($70) 5

(2 players)
UTG checks, Fnord bets $50, UTG calls $50.

River: ($170) 3

(2 players)
UTG checks, Fnord bets $70, UTG calls $64.90 (All-In).

Final Pot: $304.90

Results:
UTG has 7c Qd (one pair, queens).
Fnord has Jh 8h (straight, queen high).
Outcome: Fnord wins $304.89.

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12-03-2006, 08:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

, 8

.
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, Fnord calls $2, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($8) 9

, Q

, T

(4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2, UTG raises to $10, Fnord raises to $30, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $20.

Turn: ($70) 5

(2 players)
UTG checks, Fnord bets $50, UTG calls $50.

River: ($170) 3

He put you on a flush draw. He was right. Owned.

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12-03-2006, 08:43 AM

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I play my best hands fast for deception.

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12-03-2006, 11:53 AM

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Fnord, your buddylist must be heaving.

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Robert

12-03-2006, 04:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

I play my best hands fast for deception.

Fast playing has been the new slow playing for quite some time now among "better" players. I've found that reversing to slowplaying some of my monsters is better now than it was before.

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12-03-2006, 05:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

I play my best hands fast for deception.

Fast playing has been the new slow playing for quite some time now among "better" players. I've found that reversing to slowplaying some of my monsters is better now than it was before.

In this situation I think calling the $10 would be a terrible play.

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12-03-2006, 05:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

, K

.
1 fold, MP calls $2, Fnord raises to $10, 3 folds, MP calls $8.

Flop: ($23) K

, T

, 4

(2 players)
MP bets $12, Fnord raises to $35, MP calls $23.

Turn: ($93) 6

(2 players)
MP bets $12, Fnord raises to $70, MP calls $58.

River: ($233) A

(2 players)
MP bets $12, Fnord raises to $94.15

Opponent had KJ

This hand makes me laugh out loud for some reason.

Robert

12-03-2006, 08:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

I play my best hands fast for deception.

Fast playing has been the new slow playing for quite some time now among "better" players. I've found that reversing to slowplaying some of my monsters is better now than it was before.

In this situation I think calling the $10 would be a terrible play.

I totally agree, what I said was just generaly meant

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