Raise/Fold or Raise/Call? 200NL

**SuperDonkey** · 04-27-2012 07:17 AM

My session stats is 18.6/13.2/af3.69/3bet2.6 751 hands

The villain is 31/19/af1.1/3bet6.3 463 hands

His range on river?

Raise/Fold or Raise/Call?

Sizing is everything because if you raise too big you have to call a shove.

$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Hero (CO): $402.25 (201.1 bb)
BTN: $394.15 (197.1 bb)
SB: $203 (101.5 bb)
BB: $201.55 (100.8 bb)
UTG: $200 (100 bb)
MP: $93.35 (46.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9

9

2 folds, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, BB calls $4

Flop: ($13) A

A

T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($13) J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($13) 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6.50, BB raises to $32.50, Hero ???

**bspahn** · 04-27-2012 07:59 AM

af 1.1 he's prob got KQ or a boat

**Vi-Zer0Skill** · 04-27-2012 05:16 PM

definitely bet/call, his river range is Ax/straight/boat

**Fnord** · 04-29-2012 07:16 AM

His line is kind of FoS too.

Yeah, look him up.

**pocketfours** · 04-30-2012 11:23 PM

I probably couldn't resist the urge to 3bet this river.

**bspahn** · 05-01-2012 03:38 AM

if you 3bet, do you click it back or make it around $70 and fold to a shove?

**pocketfours** · 05-01-2012 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by bspahn

if you 3bet, do you click it back or make it around $70 and fold to a shove?

Depends, but say around $80 and probably not folding the very best hand in my range if he jams, but my presence at the table seems to have a very peculiar tilting effect on loose-passive players, I have no idea why.

**Alexos** · 05-01-2012 10:21 PM

prob bet/folding 9$ on the river, when u half pot it looks so weak i guess u gotta sigh call

**bspahn** · 05-02-2012 12:15 AM

u say sigh call because player is very passive and you're only beating KQ right?

**griffey24** · 05-02-2012 12:35 AM

Seems like an easy b/c here. I don't think I'd be 3betting when we lose to quite a few possible hands.

**pocketfours** · 05-02-2012 09:11 PM

Yeah for the record b/c is standard, but these guys just never check it to me thrice EVER and a 3bet could induce some spew if villain is capable. A canadian with these stats is going to have AJ or aces every time he 4bets ldo. A Scandi fish not so much.

**Alexos** · 05-02-2012 10:47 PM

Guys with his stats will have something else than a boat maybe 10% of the time, regardless of what we assume his range to be because he checked to us thrice. I think.

edit: yeah if he's scandi it must be a call... i also misread his stats for 31/13, but wtv he's still pretty passive. Still think u gotta call when u bet this small

**pocketfours** · 05-02-2012 11:04 PM

Results or two day tempban. Also do we know country of villain?

04-27-2012 07:17 AM #1
SuperDonkey View Profile View Forum Posts Join Date Apr 2012 Posts 7	Raise/Fold or Raise/Call? 200NL My session stats is 18.6/13.2/af3.69/3bet2.6 751 hands The villain is 31/19/af1.1/3bet6.3 463 hands His range on river? Raise/Fold or Raise/Call? Sizing is everything because if you raise too big you have to call a shove. $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players Hero (CO): $402.25 (201.1 bb) BTN: $394.15 (197.1 bb) SB: $203 (101.5 bb) BB: $201.55 (100.8 bb) UTG: $200 (100 bb) MP: $93.35 (46.7 bb) Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 9 2 folds, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, BB calls $4 Flop: ($13) A A T (2 players) BB checks, Hero checks Turn: ($13) J (2 players) BB checks, Hero checks River: ($13) 9 (2 players) BB checks, Hero bets $6.50, BB raises to $32.50, Hero ???

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04-27-2012 07:59 AM #2
bspahn View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2004 Posts 841	af 1.1 he's prob got KQ or a boat

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04-27-2012 05:16 PM #3
Vi-Zer0Skill View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Reagan's Kid Join Date Nov 2006 Posts 1,994	definitely bet/call, his river range is Ax/straight/boat
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04-29-2012 07:16 AM #4
Fnord View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,380 Location I'll Do You Like A Truck	His line is kind of FoS too. Yeah, look him up.
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04-30-2012 11:23 PM #5
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05-01-2012 03:38 AM #6
bspahn View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2004 Posts 841	if you 3bet, do you click it back or make it around $70 and fold to a shove?

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05-01-2012 09:30 PM #7
pocketfours View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 2,570 Location Lighting sweet moneys on fire.	Originally Posted by bspahn if you 3bet, do you click it back or make it around $70 and fold to a shove? Depends, but say around $80 and probably not folding the very best hand in my range if he jams, but my presence at the table seems to have a very peculiar tilting effect on loose-passive players, I have no idea why.

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05-01-2012 10:21 PM #8
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bspahn View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2004 Posts 841	u say sigh call because player is very passive and you're only beating KQ right?

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05-02-2012 12:35 AM #10
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05-02-2012 09:11 PM #11
pocketfours View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 2,570 Location Lighting sweet moneys on fire.	Yeah for the record b/c is standard, but these guys just never check it to me thrice EVER and a 3bet could induce some spew if villain is capable. A canadian with these stats is going to have AJ or aces every time he 4bets ldo. A Scandi fish not so much.

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05-02-2012 10:47 PM #12
Alexos View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage Join Date Aug 2006 Posts 3,193 Location Montreal	Guys with his stats will have something else than a boat maybe 10% of the time, regardless of what we assume his range to be because he checked to us thrice. I think. edit: yeah if he's scandi it must be a call... i also misread his stats for 31/13, but wtv he's still pretty passive. Still think u gotta call when u bet this small
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pocketfours View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 2,570 Location Lighting sweet moneys on fire.	Results or two day tempban. Also do we know country of villain?

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