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piitb
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04-12-2008, 04:14 PM
Post subject: Quick question
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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I have JJ on the button and i get three bet by the small blind. Do i 4 bet. We are both 100bb or a little more. Do i call and shove any flop not dangerous? How would you proceed? Do i fold? 
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Galapogos
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4-of-a-Kind
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Has he 3-bet you before? What are his stats/play style?
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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piitb
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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20-20 over about 25 hands he is to the right of me so when i button he BBs. Hasnt three bet me yet. I have a huge leak playing smaller high pockets in these positions and usually get stacked or get lucky! And ideas on flop theory?
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Galapogos
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I usually fold if he hasn't 3-bet me yet. You can also call and call a safe flop and fold to further action. Most people are pretty nitty with their 3-bets at these lower levels that you can expect it to be QQ+,AK the vast majority of the time so I don't mind folding until I know a bit more about him.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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thizzSantaCruz
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Full House
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At low stakes I would probalby dump it unless he 3 bets a ton.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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Schiplt
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I think that folding is too nitty w/ JJ to blind 3 bets OTB. But 4 betting is kinda spewy at these stakes, unless dudes a 3bet monkey. I flat it, and hope to call/check safe boards down.
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piitb
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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RUN IT..........
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Deanglow
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Originally Posted by Galapogos
I usually fold if he hasn't 3-bet me yet. You can also call and call a safe flop and fold to further action. Most people are pretty nitty with their 3-bets at these lower levels that you can expect it to be QQ+,AK the vast majority of the time so I don't mind folding until I know a bit more about him.
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WHAT?
I go about 75% 4bet and get it in vs 25% calling and getting it in most flops.
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nutsinho
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yeah folding jj pre to a 3bet here is basically terrible. its like a top 2-3% hand and u should be opening 35%+ on the button. if you give your opponents any credit for not being completely braindead, you have to feel pretty good about your holding even if u get threebet.
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My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
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piitb
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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My question is more in the direction of how to play Non AK flops versus heat.
I guess calling safe flop consider folding to any turn action is the basic idea?
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meeloche
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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With no spewy reads on my oponents thats a good general flop play. But you should really be picking up on your opponents tendency's, ie have you seen him 2 barrel have you seen him bluff does he cbet? What kind of hands does he 3 bet with etc...
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jyms
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Your still ahead of a 40+% of anyones std 3bet range of AKs, AKo, TT+. I see nothing wrong with flatting and seeing the flop. Any A or K is pretty much a done hand most times.
If he 3 bets to anywhere over 3.5x my open I don't mind shoving and getting called by AK a ton either.
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b-rabbit
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: virginia
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i flat this hand and check out the flop. the action on the flop would almost always be an indication of your opponents hand. and he is first to act. i think a fold here preflop at 6max cash game is the worst play.
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do the right thing.
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ZwiFT
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spew spew spew my boat roar the lightsen in
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