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Old 01-09-2008, 02:23 PM     Post subject: Quick Line & Thought process check plzzzzz #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is an 18/4/1.8 over 150 hands.
This site has a pot button which everyone clicks for PFRs because typing manually is horrendous and takes too long and I'm not willing to sacrifice half my tables just to get a correct PFR.



$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
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Stacks:
Hero ($53.40)
CO ($90.90)
BTN ($42.10)
SB ($48.25)
BB ($30.65)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $1.75, CO raises to $5, 3 folds, Hero calls $3.25


His range: JJ-AA, AK (most likely) TT,AQ (sometimes)



Flop: ($10.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks


His range: AK (most likely), JJ (sometimes), TT (fairly unlikely) AA-QQ (unlikely)


Turn: ($10.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10.75, Hero calls $10.75


His range: AK (most likely), JJ (sometimes), AA-QQ (rarely)


River: ($32.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5, Hero calls $5


WHAT THE SHIT


His range: JJ (Most likely), AK ONLY IF he's retarded and makes fake valuebets


Final Pot: $42.25
Hero shows:
CO shows:

CO wins $40.15 ( won +$19.4 )
Hero lost -$20.75
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Old 01-09-2008, 02:59 PM #2 (permalink)  
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i dont think theres much you can do in this hand anyway.
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 turn is a pretty easy fold against this player

it's 18/4/1.8 right?
not 18/14/1.8

Big diff, he's very passive for how tight he plays, generally people only raising 4% of there hands PF will have high postflop aggression numbers due to the fact that they generally have a very strong holding. He's never bluffing the turn with AK, and you're assessment of his PF 3betting range is a bit too loose with TT/AQ in there. It's JJ+, AK, which was fine to set-camp against but it looks like a relatively simple fold at these stakes.
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Old 01-09-2008, 03:54 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Fold preflop.
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 @ spenda, if his AF is more in line with a TAG with his stats (3-4 I think), is the turn a reasonable call?

@ Rondavu, how come? Don't we have odds to spike a set and PISS ON HIS FACE?
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@ Rondavu, how come? Don't we have odds to spike a set and PISS ON HIS FACE?
Last I checked, you didn't spike a set and he pissed on yours. IF that's the preflop reasoning, you need to fold to anything aggressive without your set, do you not?
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 i would say if he bet like he just had vaginal discharge on the turn and river this would be fine. (i.e. $5 on turn and river).
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@ Rondavu, how come? Don't we have odds to spike a set and PISS ON HIS FACE?
Last I checked, you didn't spike a set and he pissed on yours. IF that's the preflop reasoning, you need to fold to anything aggressive without your set, do you not?
On the flop, definitely yes, but on the turn I think a call here is +EV vs. most bad TAGs; possibly not against this guy though.


Of course, calling to catch missed AK bluffs is part of the reason to call pre but it doesn't happen often and I don't normally realise it til he checks flop, bets turn and I get a "wait a minute!" moment.



@ Warpe, do worse hands ever call a flop bet?
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Old 01-09-2008, 07:03 PM #11 (permalink)  
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@ spenda, if his AF is more in line with a TAG with his stats (3-4 I think), is the turn a reasonable call?

@ Rondavu, how come? Don't we have odds to spike a set and PISS ON HIS FACE?
if he's 18/14/3 calling PF probably wouldn't be that good as his range doesn't include as many stack-off hands as it does now.

Against a tagg I'd b/f the turn
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@ spenda, if his AF is more in line with a TAG with his stats (3-4 I think), is the turn a reasonable call?

@ Rondavu, how come? Don't we have odds to spike a set and PISS ON HIS FACE?
if he's 18/14/3 calling PF probably wouldn't be that good as his range doesn't include as many stack-off hands as it does now.

Against a tagg I'd b/f the turn
Nice advice man. I really do need to get out of the whole "he was the raiser pre so I've gotta check everything to him" state of mind.
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 Call preflop for the set only, then c/f any street if you don't hit. Calling that turn bet against this guy is really bad.


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