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Irisheyes
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09-09-2008, 02:42 PM
Post subject: Quick idiot question
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4-of-a-Kind
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If I bet here am I a retard?
$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($63.60)
CO ($400.00)
BTN ($407.80)
SB ($1443.60)
Hero ($960.00)
Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is BB  
UTG raises to $14, CO calls $14, 2 folds, Hero raises to $58, UTG goes all-in $49.60, CO calls $49.60, Hero calls $5.60
Flop:    ($192.80, 3 players)
Hero ($896.4)?
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Galapogos
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I don't know what hand you're referring to, but I don' bet here, unless I'm sure AJ is so far ahead of the shorty's range that I have the best hand and am betting for protection vs CO.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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dalecooper
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Any read on CO? If you think a lot of his range is pocket pairs and missed high cards (and I think that's a good guess) - AND if you think he will fold a lot of those to a bet - then betting is good, I think. You have limited equity now but probably good equity vs. just the short stack, so if you can get CO off of his 44/55/77/99/TT/JJ/AK/AJ, bully for you. You also obviously don't mind protecting against/folding out his worse hands, which are mostly going to be drawing to at least 6 outs vs. your ace high.
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Originally Posted by Galapogos
I'm sure AJ is so far ahead of the shorty's range that I have the best hand
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I always make that assumption when a guy with such a tiny stack is involved.
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Genitruc
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I don't mind a bet at all. CO will fold a bunch and you get to freeroll shorty's AT or 88 or AK or whatever
BACKDOOR DIAMONDS ONE TIME
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Irisheyes
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If I was to represent this pseudo-mathematically wouldn't it look something like this:
The % of the time the CO folds I win my pot equity versus the shorty. When he doesn't fold I win my pot equity versus both players together.
Right?
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this is worse than cbetting against two players since you don't get to pick up the entire pot, though
We're behind a small pair
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Irisheyes
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Ya thats what I mean by winning my pot equity vs the shorty.
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Marshall28
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
If I was to represent this pseudo-mathematically wouldn't it look something like this:
The % of the time the CO folds I win my pot equity versus the shorty. When he doesn't fold I win my pot equity versus both players together.
Right?
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problem is, i think the times you are called, your pot equity will be much much worse, and the times you get a fold, you will have risked a decent sized bet w/ an extremely marginal hand to gain a small % of equity against the all in player (given that if CO folds, it's unlikely he had a hand that had you beat anyways). maybe you fold out a small pair, i just think it's almost never worth it. better line might be to c/b flop and bet any turn that improves your equity, particularly if CO checks again.
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Fnord
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So are we betting with :Ts: :Tc
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Marshall28
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its a weird spot. i think TT is a bet. we aren't sure if we're ahead, but can definitely be called by worse, and can also fold out hands that have an overcard against us. i'd probly wanna bet the flop and c/b turn and river
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