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Old 01-28-2008, 10:07 AM     Post subject: Questions: making moves, aggro villains, etc... #1 (permalink)  
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what to do against those villains that raise every c-bet u make?
is it better to make no c-bet when missed? make a smaller c-bet? an overbet?
they drive me crazy!!!! they eat at your stack, and you can only pray to hit one good flop, but then, how to act? reraise? coldcall? make moves?
I just feel that checking is soo weak oop, and in position i could be giving him free cards?

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1 hand where i played back at 1 of them, after a few orbits he has already raised my c-bets several times, once with air and sucking out on river, the one time where i had hit the flop.

This hand turned out good, but is it worth it to risk so much just to stop the bully from playing back at you? we are deep... he made me sweat...
did i even play it good or did i just get lucky? I was trying to represent AdXd. Please comment


$50 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 28, 05:16:29 ET 2008
Table Table 126527 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Villain ( $152.29 USD )
Seat 2: Hero ( $166.96 USD )
Seat 6: x ( $52.77 USD )
Seat 4: x ( $52.89 USD )
Seat 3: x ( $75.37 USD )
Seat 5: x ( $49.25 USD )
x posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Villain posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Js As ]
Hero raises [$2 USD]
x folds.
x folds.
x folds.
x folds.
Villain calls [$1.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, 9d, 8d ]
Villain checks.
Hero bets [$3.50 USD]
Villain raises [$7 USD]
Hero calls [$3.50 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jh ]
Villain bets [$13.29 USD]
Hero raises [$50 USD]
Villain calls [$36.71 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
Villain checks.
Hero is all-In.
Villain folds.
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:17 AM #2 (permalink)  
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if someone is doing this alot then it is sometimes worth making a near potsized raise and see if they carry on. You only need to be successful 50% of the time to turn a profit and if they do this alot then youll probably find them folding more like 80% of the time. Make sure you arent doing it against a station though. The other option is to stop cbetting some of the time when you miss and see if they adjust to that.
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:23 AM #3 (permalink)  
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if someone is doing this alot then it is sometimes worth making a near potsized raise and see if they carry on. You only need to be successful 50% of the time to turn a profit and if they do this alot then youll probably find them folding more like 80% of the time. Make sure you arent doing it against a station though. The other option is to stop cbetting some of the time when you miss and see if they adjust to that.
in position, is that better than coldcalling and...?

1. raise their turn lead/lead the turn if they check
2. reevaluate and fold to strength on the turn if no help
3. try to represent a draw that comes on the turn/river
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:55 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 i play these ppl who c bet all the time

but usually when i call to see a flop, I don't hit anything

what can I do?

asd I don't wanna be pretentious, but just realize you're asking a very very broad question that has many possible answers that depend on many different things

If you were a donk, how would you protect yourself from villains always c-betting?
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 01-28-2008, 11:16 AM #5 (permalink)  
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i play these ppl who c bet all the time

but usually when i call to see a flop, I don't hit anything

what can I do?

asd I don't wanna be pretentious, but just realize you're asking a very very broad question that has many possible answers that depend on many different things

If you were a donk, how would you protect yourself from villains always c-betting?
well, i am a bit of a donk since i cannot get past the 1k line (even after a great start at 25nl and 50nl I am now a little over break even at both levels)
And I play with those people that c-bet every flop.
But, i vary my plays:

i raise the flop
i float
i fold
i draw (i call more pf raises w drawing hands)
i bluff/semibluff
i represent other hands

And sometimes get in trouble doing all of this

Sorry about the broad subject, just trying to get some ideas in.
Reading this forum is helping me a lot and from time to time i'll just pop in and post something, although it may be general/broad, as i am not as experienced as most of you, who dwell in the details.
I'm not there yet. But hopefully getting there!
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Old 01-28-2008, 12:37 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Genitruc is an unknown quantity at this point
 it sounds like you ve found good counterstrategies to ppl who c bet a lot

so it shouldn't be too tough countering the ppl who counter that strategy
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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