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griffey24
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08-15-2007, 02:23 PM
Post subject: Question about pocket pairs in position at 400NL and up
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I've noticed as of late that its almost impossible to call an EP raise in position with a low/mid pocket pair hoping to hit a set. The reason why its impossible, is that with seemingly higher frequency someone WILL squeeze you from the blinds. You're essentially forced to either fold your low/mid pair OR 3-bet yourself (which isn't necessarily a bad thing).
The reason why I post this, is because I'm wondering if its profitable to then flat call high pairs QQ/KK/AA in position to EP raisers, HOPING to get squeezed by someone in the blinds? Should we be doing this more if we know there is a compulsive squeezer acting after us?
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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minSim
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You don't need us...
- call big pairs
- 3-bet PP's
.... and you could fold some
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Halv
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Are people really squeezing that often against EP raisers? Against a CO open/btn call, sure, but against someone opening UTG?
If it's really happening that often then yeah, flat call+ shove pairs (all of them?) and big aces sometimes, 3bet sometimes.
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by HalvSame
Are people really squeezing that often against EP raisers? Against a CO open/btn call, sure, but against someone opening UTG?
If it's really happening that often then yeah, flat call+ shove pairs (all of them?) and big aces sometimes, 3bet sometimes.
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Yah it seems to be happening quite often at 400-500NL, but probably moreso if the initial raiser has a somewhat wide opening range. Though I suppose this fact in itself should warrant me 3-betting all my pairs.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Harry
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Well if the UTG raiser is loose enough that he gets squeezed often I don't think you can be calling low PPs looking for set value.
I am honestly not squeezed as often as you suggest though.
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Halv
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We can probably call twice sometimes as well (if the opener calls).
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sauce123
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its better if like the co raises and we call otb and straate and takechip r in the blinds
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zook
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Huh. This explains why you 3bet 22 in the hand I just replied to. In the games I play (2/4 & 3/6 at FT) there's a lot of 3-betting, but squeezes aren't so common that I'm 3-betting <88. If someone's really squeezing you that often, go ahead and 4-bet your pp's once in awhile. You have enough equity if called to make it +ev vs. a wide squeezing range.
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