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Old 11-24-2006, 05:03 AM     Post subject: Proud of this fold - should I be? #1 (permalink)  
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SB is a solid TAG, around 28/12. On the turn I really tried to put SB on a hand, and the most obvious thing would be a slowplayed Ace. I thought with the big cold-call PF, and the check/call on the flop, villain could easily have AK, AQ, AJ. Let the PFR c-bet the flop, try to get a c/r in on the turn, and if its checked through, push the river.

After I checked, villain felted it. I used to always call here and cross my fingers that my read was wrong. I feel this is my next poker hurdle though. My reads have been pretty accurate for awhile now, but I don't follow through with them enough. I'll feel the someone was drawing to a flush and caught it, or was slowplaying a monster, and yet I'll call anyway in desperation, and be proven right.

In this case on the river, I thought about the hand and I wanted to call, but I really felt this villain would play an ace this way, and did what I felt was the +EV thing by folding.

Ok, so first of all, do you agree with my logic and my fold? Secondly, has anyone else had to overcome this problem with trusting their reads before? I feel like reads come naturally the more you play, but trusting them can be difficult. Any advice?

(Sorry for such a long post about a not-so-exciting hand.)

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $54.55
Hero: $46.95
CO: $178.20
Button: $53.30
SB: $45.55
BB: $50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q Q
UTG raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: A 5 A ($18.5, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $12, SB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: 5 ($42.5, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: 3 ($42.5, 2 players)
SB is all-in $27.55, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $27.55 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: $42.5
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Old 11-24-2006, 05:12 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I think this is okay.

You reraised preflop, he calls. You bet the flop on an AA5 board, he calls. You check the turn, he pushes river......I don't think this is a bluff here, at least not very often, at 0.25/0.50.

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Old 11-24-2006, 05:12 AM     Post subject: Re: Proud of this fold - should I be? #3 (permalink)  
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Ok, so first of all, do you agree with my logic and my fold? Secondly, has anyone else had to overcome this problem with trusting their reads before? I feel like reads come naturally the more you play, but trusting them can be difficult. Any advice?
Fold good, you beat complete air, that's it.

2) OMG yes. By coming naturally I think you mean, "after making tons of terrible calls, I'm finally learning how to fold in questionable situations". That's where I'm at right now.
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Old 11-24-2006, 11:09 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 wtf villain has JJ like 99% of the time here no?
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 11-24-2006, 11:09 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 good fold

but this should be pretty easy unless you have a strong read
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 11-24-2006, 09:25 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Betting the flop is a mistake.

This is a bad flop for your hand given the preflop action (I would expect the small blind to be a fish who is cold-calling with some weakish ace high hand before the flop), and it should become clear on later streets whether or not you're beat. There's no reason to charge yourself a near pot-sized amount for information that you should be able to get more cheaply on later streets. You also avoid getting check-raised, which might allow you to spike a miracle Q and win a big pot against trip aces.
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